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<blockquote data-quote="Tom B1" data-source="post: 7948935" data-attributes="member: 6879023"><p>There have been a lot of folks under 30 and even older folks who are assuming their usual response to the flu will be how Covid-19 arrives for them if at all. You are an example of one of the more vulnerable people whom those self-centered or clueless individuals are putting at risk, but there have also been a decent number of very sick millenials and others under 50 too. Deaths may not have been that high in those demographics, but I'll bet some have the lung damage, some had to be in recovery for a longer period. And some probably passed it to more vulnerable people they are supposed to care about. </p><p></p><p>The PM is right. The math says we need to break the curve and the ONLY way to do that is to up our isolation game for several weeks (maybe a month). </p><p></p><p>My 12 year old is likely to lose the second half of her grade 7 year. I don't see schools getting back before September and that's only if 1) we have a vaccine or 2) we have had so many people sick that 70% of us have some post-Covid resistance (which we are not yet certain is a guaranteed thing, nor do we know how long it will persist, and 3) we don't get another wave (you could get waves every 15 days if people don't stay locked down and not everyone will... so this could go on for months). </p><p></p><p>I've got an 86 year old with shingles in one eye right now, an 85 year old with bad knees who is diabetic, a 40-odd year old wife who just had a hip rebuild and whose physio is indefinitely put off, and I've got a bad history with respiratory viruses after getting pneumonia once and a tropical chest infection similar too - my lungs now seem very likely to get whatever is going. </p><p></p><p>The younger folk better smarten up or some of them will get badly hurt and even worse, they'll be responsible for hurting elders and the vulnerable in their communities. </p><p></p><p>I hope nobody in your family gets it. It's hard to stop with 9 days on surfaces and 4 hours+ in aerosol format after someone coughs or sneezes. And with a 10-15 day average contagious but not yet symptomatic phase... its VERY easy to spread without knowing it. </p><p></p><p>It's worse than SARS, worse than the Spanish Flu (source: ex-CDC head), it tends to do more damage to lungs that lasts, and its easy to infect others when you don't know it (flu typically has maybe 4-5 days asymptomatic at most and you aren't very contagious there so you can start to see symptoms and isolate... this thing is far worse). We're not even sure a vaccine <em>is possible</em>. </p><p></p><p>And if the medical system gets swamped (not too hard, running at over 80% (often over 100%) on any given day to start with... we'll see more triage 'who lives' decisions and more deaths due to lack of resources to treat - just like Italy. With exponential doubling, we could see that in the next couple of weeks. And if we don't do the social isolation justice, then we'll see far worse in 3-4 weeks. The exponential growth curve is merciless.</p><p></p><p>I hope you and your family get better and your employees (I assume you are in BC from the sounds of your description) avoid catching it. I hope your recovery is complete and that you do get some sort of resistance to catching it again (and that it lasts at least through the year). </p><p></p><p>Thanks for sharing your story. We need more personal stories of misery and sickness to maybe penetrate teh narcissism and self-centered behaviour of some in our society that are risking more injuries and deaths for their own amusement or entertainment. </p><p></p><p>Sobey's is installing plexi shields to protect their cashiers. I think any other place is not protecting them well enough. If you can't get your people behind a shield, you'd better close up for a while, or some of them are going to get it from an infected individual (and again, they won't even know they are giving it to you).</p><p></p><p>Good luck, be safe.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tom B1, post: 7948935, member: 6879023"] There have been a lot of folks under 30 and even older folks who are assuming their usual response to the flu will be how Covid-19 arrives for them if at all. You are an example of one of the more vulnerable people whom those self-centered or clueless individuals are putting at risk, but there have also been a decent number of very sick millenials and others under 50 too. Deaths may not have been that high in those demographics, but I'll bet some have the lung damage, some had to be in recovery for a longer period. And some probably passed it to more vulnerable people they are supposed to care about. The PM is right. The math says we need to break the curve and the ONLY way to do that is to up our isolation game for several weeks (maybe a month). My 12 year old is likely to lose the second half of her grade 7 year. I don't see schools getting back before September and that's only if 1) we have a vaccine or 2) we have had so many people sick that 70% of us have some post-Covid resistance (which we are not yet certain is a guaranteed thing, nor do we know how long it will persist, and 3) we don't get another wave (you could get waves every 15 days if people don't stay locked down and not everyone will... so this could go on for months). I've got an 86 year old with shingles in one eye right now, an 85 year old with bad knees who is diabetic, a 40-odd year old wife who just had a hip rebuild and whose physio is indefinitely put off, and I've got a bad history with respiratory viruses after getting pneumonia once and a tropical chest infection similar too - my lungs now seem very likely to get whatever is going. The younger folk better smarten up or some of them will get badly hurt and even worse, they'll be responsible for hurting elders and the vulnerable in their communities. I hope nobody in your family gets it. It's hard to stop with 9 days on surfaces and 4 hours+ in aerosol format after someone coughs or sneezes. And with a 10-15 day average contagious but not yet symptomatic phase... its VERY easy to spread without knowing it. It's worse than SARS, worse than the Spanish Flu (source: ex-CDC head), it tends to do more damage to lungs that lasts, and its easy to infect others when you don't know it (flu typically has maybe 4-5 days asymptomatic at most and you aren't very contagious there so you can start to see symptoms and isolate... this thing is far worse). We're not even sure a vaccine [I]is possible[/I]. And if the medical system gets swamped (not too hard, running at over 80% (often over 100%) on any given day to start with... we'll see more triage 'who lives' decisions and more deaths due to lack of resources to treat - just like Italy. With exponential doubling, we could see that in the next couple of weeks. And if we don't do the social isolation justice, then we'll see far worse in 3-4 weeks. The exponential growth curve is merciless. I hope you and your family get better and your employees (I assume you are in BC from the sounds of your description) avoid catching it. I hope your recovery is complete and that you do get some sort of resistance to catching it again (and that it lasts at least through the year). Thanks for sharing your story. We need more personal stories of misery and sickness to maybe penetrate teh narcissism and self-centered behaviour of some in our society that are risking more injuries and deaths for their own amusement or entertainment. Sobey's is installing plexi shields to protect their cashiers. I think any other place is not protecting them well enough. If you can't get your people behind a shield, you'd better close up for a while, or some of them are going to get it from an infected individual (and again, they won't even know they are giving it to you). Good luck, be safe. [/QUOTE]
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