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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8287735" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>What would you prefer, a detailed listing of minority groups typically stigmatized in this way? It would be immediately outdated and unhelpful and however well done. Seems like criticism for the sake of criticism rather than something you've actually considered. Also, dude, I dunno if you've ever read Lovecraft, but let me give you a rundown on all the minority groups he stigmatized:</p><p></p><p><em>Literally every single one which wasn't White, Anglo-Saxon and Protestant.</em></p><p></p><p>I'm not kidding. He even presents Scotsmen and Irish people in terms pretty similar to black people and asian people, and all of them he presents as monstrous. He even kinda nails small-town East Coast folk who presumably are WASPs, but are poor, and poorly-spoken, so obviously creepy to good old HP (who, let's be real, would be writing creepypasta on 4chan, if not 8kun, were he around today, and utterly obscure - of course horror would be pretty different without him, and D&D and RPGs would be missing a bunch of stuff).</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure what's so difficult - it's merely a straightforward exhortation to not fall into the same trap as HP Lovecraft, and present everyone different to you or mentally ill as dangerous and/or actual monsters.</p><p></p><p>Also re: Monsterhearts, I just don't agree, having read it, and I feel like you're bullshitting for effect there, and trusting that most of us haven't.</p><p></p><p>I mean, your post <em>comes across </em>as a bit try-hard cynical yes (esp. with the Spy avatar, the TF2 character of choice for poseurs - not saying your one but if you've played TF2 a lot you know this is true). Like, I'm sure you were honestly not excited because you don't like the broadly Gothic vibe of the monsters in Ravenloft, but it feels like you're sort of looking around for objections to the material in general, and the only ones you're finding are kind of a reach.</p><p></p><p>Is it really aimed at a totally modern post-creepypasta audience? Nah. Could there be more advice on specific kinds of horror - I think so. Is the overall advice, particularly the actual chapter on running horror (not the shorter horror-type rundowns) good? Yes, and I'd say, having read horror RPGs for 30 years, it's one of the best ones because the advice is largely straightforward and non-pretentious and easy to apply.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8287735, member: 18"] What would you prefer, a detailed listing of minority groups typically stigmatized in this way? It would be immediately outdated and unhelpful and however well done. Seems like criticism for the sake of criticism rather than something you've actually considered. Also, dude, I dunno if you've ever read Lovecraft, but let me give you a rundown on all the minority groups he stigmatized: [I]Literally every single one which wasn't White, Anglo-Saxon and Protestant.[/I] I'm not kidding. He even presents Scotsmen and Irish people in terms pretty similar to black people and asian people, and all of them he presents as monstrous. He even kinda nails small-town East Coast folk who presumably are WASPs, but are poor, and poorly-spoken, so obviously creepy to good old HP (who, let's be real, would be writing creepypasta on 4chan, if not 8kun, were he around today, and utterly obscure - of course horror would be pretty different without him, and D&D and RPGs would be missing a bunch of stuff). I'm not sure what's so difficult - it's merely a straightforward exhortation to not fall into the same trap as HP Lovecraft, and present everyone different to you or mentally ill as dangerous and/or actual monsters. Also re: Monsterhearts, I just don't agree, having read it, and I feel like you're bullshitting for effect there, and trusting that most of us haven't. I mean, your post [I]comes across [/I]as a bit try-hard cynical yes (esp. with the Spy avatar, the TF2 character of choice for poseurs - not saying your one but if you've played TF2 a lot you know this is true). Like, I'm sure you were honestly not excited because you don't like the broadly Gothic vibe of the monsters in Ravenloft, but it feels like you're sort of looking around for objections to the material in general, and the only ones you're finding are kind of a reach. Is it really aimed at a totally modern post-creepypasta audience? Nah. Could there be more advice on specific kinds of horror - I think so. Is the overall advice, particularly the actual chapter on running horror (not the shorter horror-type rundowns) good? Yes, and I'd say, having read horror RPGs for 30 years, it's one of the best ones because the advice is largely straightforward and non-pretentious and easy to apply. [/QUOTE]
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