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<blockquote data-quote="Blacky the Blackball" data-source="post: 5800552" data-attributes="member: 6688526">[Further Speculation]I'm guessing that the basic cleric variant/build is that way deliberately to please the pre-3e players.I'm further guessing that a more complex cleric variant/build can take advantage of class features similar to those that have been mentioned for wizards, and have other ways of healing people, and that other classes have ways of healing people so it isn't all down to the party cleric.I'm also guessing based on the descriptions that have come back that the playtest only had the most basic variants/builds as pre-gens, so only the most limited form of clerical (and possibly warlord) healing was visible during the test.In other words, just because the cleric pre-gen in the playtest worked like that doesn't mean that all clerics in the game must work like that; even if the rules are not changed between now and release.(As an aside, the &quot;Heal-Bot&quot; cleric problem was mainly a 3.x problem rather than a problem of older editions, because 3.x cleric having curing spells at all levels and being able to spontaneously switch to them meant they always had the option of spending their action curing someone and therefore were under pressure from the other players to do so.It was far less of a problem in pre-3E editions because clerics didn't get healing spells at every level, could only cast them if they'd pre-prepared them, and didn't get as many spells anyway. For example, a 7th level cleric in BECMI gets a maximum of three Cure Light Wounds spells and that's it. So it's only three times per day that they'll be healing someone instead of doing something else, even assuming all three are used in combat rather than between combats.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blacky the Blackball, post: 5800552, member: 6688526"] [b][Further Speculation][/b] I'm guessing that the [I]basic[/I] cleric variant/build is that way deliberately to please the pre-3e players. I'm further guessing that a more complex cleric variant/build can take advantage of class features similar to those that have been mentioned for wizards, and have other ways of healing people, and that other classes have ways of healing people so it isn't all down to the party cleric. I'm also guessing based on the descriptions that have come back that the playtest only had the most basic variants/builds as pre-gens, so only the most limited form of clerical (and possibly warlord) healing was visible during the test. In other words, just because the cleric pre-gen in the playtest worked like that doesn't mean that all clerics in the game must work like that; even if the rules are not changed between now and release. (As an aside, the "Heal-Bot" cleric problem was mainly a 3.x problem rather than a problem of older editions, because 3.x cleric having curing spells at all levels and being able to spontaneously switch to them meant they always had the option of spending their action curing someone and therefore were under pressure from the other players to do so. It was far less of a problem in pre-3E editions because clerics didn't get healing spells at every level, could only cast them if they'd pre-prepared them, and didn't get as many spells anyway. For example, a 7th level cleric in BECMI gets a maximum of three Cure Light Wounds spells and that's it. So it's only three times per day that they'll be healing someone instead of doing something else, even assuming all three are used in combat rather than between combats.) [/QUOTE]

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