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Message: <blockquote data-quote="F700" data-source="post: 5941436" data-attributes="member: 89378">So what rules are you quoting to support your point of view. And yes, I threw a 2000 pound throne out there as an example of a piece of treasure that would be difficult to remove from a dungeon. Would you consider a 20 pound piece of treasure an obstacle? No shifting goal post - the point all along was a piece of loot too big to easily recover. And yes, your remarks regarding my amatuerish playing ARE insulting. I'm not offended anymore - I've since read the comments left on your profile so I see that you're regularly insulting and often have problems with people here. I think it's pretty safe to conclude based on what I've seen of your behavior that any problems you may have with the rules or DMs are more likely because of your attitude and the way you express yourself. Unfortunately, no rule system will ever be able to correct that.  Kind of a pity. Very often the level of enjoyment to be found in D&D is relative to the maturity of the players.</blockquote>