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<blockquote data-quote="Nyaricus" data-source="post: 2827797" data-attributes="member: 35678"><p>thanks for all the votes, fedback and chatter folks. I am really happy that I am getting some good quality feedback. 6 years of play testing this hset in one form or another has given me this - but sometimes even a cursory look is really important for impressions on something. Generally, I am just glad it is being reasonably well received, or at least having fair, level-headed reveiws. Thanks, again. And please excsue the <u><em>immensely</em></u> long post.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Why, thank you <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>This took more than several - possibly 20-30 hours updating from version 2-to-3 and I dont even know how long since I took Axiems sheet (which is an old one my old DM found on the web) and updated it to 3.5 after some good use in 3.0.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks. The weapons in particular were something I really wanted to format like that (having 2H, Primary Hand weapon, Off-hand weapon and Ranged), so to make it fool-proof. One thing I am now considering, with the addition of the 'Alternate Weapon' slot is to divy up ranged weapons into Projectile and Thrown, which I think would add to the utility of the sheet.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Which stat numbers are you referring too, sorry? For some reason I am not getting the reference here <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>One thing I have long wanted to do in have the inclusion of a "Body Slot" picture with all the (11?) body slots on it, and enough room to fill in what they are. Somehting like Diablo II's inventory page, one could say. Personally, I like to do a little drawing with my characters equipment on it, with weights and everything.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That would be my own Weapon Groups system, which I haven't checked to see if it survived the crash. I'll do an update ASAP, so check out House Ruels or the link through my sig for my Tasty Bits thread and check out the old version (which is not nearly as good).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Suit yourself man - a few (free) virus/adware/spyware scanners from <a href="http://www.pcworld.com" target="_blank">www.pcworld.com</a> could prolly help you if you think you need extra security. Thus far, no complaints on that part, and we've had more than 150 downloads in total from ENnies. Besides, I'm really paranoid <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/paranoid.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":uhoh:" title="Paranoid :uhoh:" data-shortname=":uhoh:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks! Glad I have a fan (or two) <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, another thing I've noticed on many-a-character sheet, so I rectifyed that problem, and then some <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek! :o" data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks, I think there should be a good reservoir of pre-explained stuff on any character sheet, so this was an important aspect.</p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> I tried to get clever with the 3rd version, so glad I gave you, like, 2 seconds of amusment.</p><p></p><p></p><p>ANOTHER major overlook on many sheets. If that's right there, I think it makes turning/rebukign undead that much less scary, and more approchable. It allows you to get more familiar with it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It isn't possible, which I agree is a gripe of mine - although it gave me a good excuse to use <em>Delux</em> for the name of this sheet <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> I remember when we used to use looseleaf in '99, when we started with AD&D and didn't know Thac0 from a Ormyrr <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p>It's also a sort-of-a theory of mine that this character sheet is 4 pages because I pre-stae so many things. Stuff like having every language listed (well, that I'm aware of) and all the weapn groups does tend to take up a lot of space over 3 pages.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Another agreeance here. I really tried to look at the ruels, other shetes and take what I felt needed to be included in then end, I had a 4 page-long character sheet in front of me.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, the reason it is so big is that characters can sure begin to have a huge list of stuff to keep track of. <strong>Blackrat</strong> piped in with 19 or 20 feats for a level 20 fighter, and thats not including some other important info you might want to put there (especially if you are a monster-race PC). I know it's a bit of a space-filler, but as for combat, I kept all the combat stuff on the combat page - where it fits lieks a glove, especially after <strong>Blackrat's</strong> prompt to add in another weapon slot.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Survival, per the SRD, gets a +2 synergy bonus with 5 ranks in Know: dungeoneering, thus I stuck in that extra line. Also, I notice that survival on the planes gets +2 from Know: the planes, so I'll add that in a future update. Appraise is like that because (house rule<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I make my players take it indidvually, with synergies witht he appropriate craft and profession skill. Also, you might note that dwarves get +2 for Appriase checks for only metal and stone, thus I think that is a reasonable house rule.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, the subtitles/comments are new to the 3rd version of my sheet, but my players found them funny, so they are staying in my versions - however if you so wish to change this in a version you create, more power to you <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your opinion buddy, but I posted a link to the microsoft word 2003 free veiwer, which is open to everyone (who uses a microsoft OS, of course). Don't ahte the child, ahte the maker <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>again, it is open if you have a MS OS, but if you don't, then I have no control of it.</p><p></p><p>Well, Open Office (one of those DOC programs you don't seem to like) has an 'export to pdf' function, but OO itself mucks wiht the formatting of it, so that isn't an easy option for me :\</p><p></p><p></p><p>print that bad boy off, and switch the sheets around <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree: this looks terrile in OO. MSWV03 is a great improvement on this.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The only thing <em>really</em> Realms-specific is the languages, and those are easily-enough edited out and replaced with you own. I just have that as a basis because when not playing in my homebrew, that is the staple world in my game - and it was the flagship world for 3.0 as well. YMVs, obviously - buts that's okay <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Again, I think that for all that it's worth in time, it's better to jst have one page for combat stuff. Otherwise, it starts to look really cramped on the first page, and I can't extrapolate on all the minuatae that I have for this sheet.</p><p></p><p></p><p>yeah - I even sometimes slip up when playing and list them in the feats section too. Mainly though, I think this only adds to the sheet, and as usual this is easily edited out and replaced with the MESSy(stem) [that's the Martial, Exotic Simple System]. Just use the rest of the spaes for Exotic weapon profs for a space filler <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks for all the compliments, and the fair reveiw <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>For D&D period, this can be used IMX. The only that gets changed in my homebrews version is a different languages section.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The only problem is that, IMX, alot of important details get lost, and the sheet can't be made "for everyone". I can upload Axiems 3.0 version into a new thread, and post another poll if I really want to shoot that down - it's hayday is long over <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wait: isn't that what I did? Not sure of the point here <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, I personally create a journal logs for each session which the players can easily reference, so this generally isn't an issue for me. I just think that a character sheet is more for the crunch and less for the fluff. All good ideas, however <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Thansk for the feedback.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>okay, shoot!</p><p></p><p></p><p>How so?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorry, my uberness is at a loss as how to do this, so this is not something I can do :\</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorry: I never sold it as self-calculating, and there are no plans to haev a version (done by me) which features this. Also, you'd have to go through alot of paper to re-print this off for when stuff like soemthing as insignitifgant as <em>Buls Strength</em> affects you. Personally, a pencil and a caculator are all I need to add.</p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Thansk man <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Same to you: cheers!</p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh well, I guess I can't win over everyone <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> As said before, increasing the font size might be a good idea for some, so why not try that out instead? Personally, fitting another line of skills on Page 1 is not my idea of getting a 'premium' experience with a Char sheet over a few free laughs.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Go for it! I can take it <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious :]" data-shortname=":]" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, its a word doc, but not much I can do with that, as I don't have any of those programs mentioned :\ I just try and do what I can in word <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, it was more "hmmm, where will <em>this</em> fit when push came to shove. Version 2 to 3 had tons of changes, and one was placement of most things. Combat, in my sheet, got it's own page, so that's the final call.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I know, and there isn't much I can do for spacing, other than making the boxes 1x1 in stead of the current 2x2 size and have it that way. As I said to <strong> Blackrat</strong> I find that this cause this info to get ost in my group, but it may appeal to a wider audience.</p><p></p><p></p><p>you know, this isn't a bad idea. I could further divvy ths up to "Stored" and "On Person" This is something which hasn't changed since Axiems sheet, and probably isn't the best system - so I'll look into your fair suggestions and se what i can incorperate. Thanks - that was a great help for me <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Personally, this is something which I don't think belongs on a character sheet proper - but in all fairness, I <em>had</em> a 'HP rolled" section on page 1, before making "Skill Mods" and "Skill POints" larger and adding in "Player Name" (something I've been meaning to do) on it. This is somethin which I agree is very useful - denoting LA, Racial HD, and different classes. Again, somehtin which I think is useful, but don't, ATM, have enough room to fit in... Hmmm....</p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks you for the fair reveiw <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Same to you <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nyaricus, post: 2827797, member: 35678"] thanks for all the votes, fedback and chatter folks. I am really happy that I am getting some good quality feedback. 6 years of play testing this hset in one form or another has given me this - but sometimes even a cursory look is really important for impressions on something. Generally, I am just glad it is being reasonably well received, or at least having fair, level-headed reveiws. Thanks, again. And please excsue the [u][i]immensely[/i][/u] long post. Why, thank you :) This took more than several - possibly 20-30 hours updating from version 2-to-3 and I dont even know how long since I took Axiems sheet (which is an old one my old DM found on the web) and updated it to 3.5 after some good use in 3.0. Thanks. The weapons in particular were something I really wanted to format like that (having 2H, Primary Hand weapon, Off-hand weapon and Ranged), so to make it fool-proof. One thing I am now considering, with the addition of the 'Alternate Weapon' slot is to divy up ranged weapons into Projectile and Thrown, which I think would add to the utility of the sheet. Which stat numbers are you referring too, sorry? For some reason I am not getting the reference here :confused: :p One thing I have long wanted to do in have the inclusion of a "Body Slot" picture with all the (11?) body slots on it, and enough room to fill in what they are. Somehting like Diablo II's inventory page, one could say. Personally, I like to do a little drawing with my characters equipment on it, with weights and everything. That would be my own Weapon Groups system, which I haven't checked to see if it survived the crash. I'll do an update ASAP, so check out House Ruels or the link through my sig for my Tasty Bits thread and check out the old version (which is not nearly as good). Suit yourself man - a few (free) virus/adware/spyware scanners from [url]www.pcworld.com[/url] could prolly help you if you think you need extra security. Thus far, no complaints on that part, and we've had more than 150 downloads in total from ENnies. Besides, I'm really paranoid :uhoh: Thanks! Glad I have a fan (or two) :) Yeah, another thing I've noticed on many-a-character sheet, so I rectifyed that problem, and then some :o Thanks, I think there should be a good reservoir of pre-explained stuff on any character sheet, so this was an important aspect. :D I tried to get clever with the 3rd version, so glad I gave you, like, 2 seconds of amusment. ANOTHER major overlook on many sheets. If that's right there, I think it makes turning/rebukign undead that much less scary, and more approchable. It allows you to get more familiar with it. It isn't possible, which I agree is a gripe of mine - although it gave me a good excuse to use [i]Delux[/i] for the name of this sheet :D I remember when we used to use looseleaf in '99, when we started with AD&D and didn't know Thac0 from a Ormyrr :p It's also a sort-of-a theory of mine that this character sheet is 4 pages because I pre-stae so many things. Stuff like having every language listed (well, that I'm aware of) and all the weapn groups does tend to take up a lot of space over 3 pages. Another agreeance here. I really tried to look at the ruels, other shetes and take what I felt needed to be included in then end, I had a 4 page-long character sheet in front of me. Well, the reason it is so big is that characters can sure begin to have a huge list of stuff to keep track of. [b]Blackrat[/b] piped in with 19 or 20 feats for a level 20 fighter, and thats not including some other important info you might want to put there (especially if you are a monster-race PC). I know it's a bit of a space-filler, but as for combat, I kept all the combat stuff on the combat page - where it fits lieks a glove, especially after [b]Blackrat's[/b] prompt to add in another weapon slot. Survival, per the SRD, gets a +2 synergy bonus with 5 ranks in Know: dungeoneering, thus I stuck in that extra line. Also, I notice that survival on the planes gets +2 from Know: the planes, so I'll add that in a future update. Appraise is like that because (house rule:) I make my players take it indidvually, with synergies witht he appropriate craft and profession skill. Also, you might note that dwarves get +2 for Appriase checks for only metal and stone, thus I think that is a reasonable house rule. Well, the subtitles/comments are new to the 3rd version of my sheet, but my players found them funny, so they are staying in my versions - however if you so wish to change this in a version you create, more power to you :) Your opinion buddy, but I posted a link to the microsoft word 2003 free veiwer, which is open to everyone (who uses a microsoft OS, of course). Don't ahte the child, ahte the maker :) again, it is open if you have a MS OS, but if you don't, then I have no control of it. Well, Open Office (one of those DOC programs you don't seem to like) has an 'export to pdf' function, but OO itself mucks wiht the formatting of it, so that isn't an easy option for me :\ print that bad boy off, and switch the sheets around ;) I agree: this looks terrile in OO. MSWV03 is a great improvement on this. The only thing [i]really[/i] Realms-specific is the languages, and those are easily-enough edited out and replaced with you own. I just have that as a basis because when not playing in my homebrew, that is the staple world in my game - and it was the flagship world for 3.0 as well. YMVs, obviously - buts that's okay :) Again, I think that for all that it's worth in time, it's better to jst have one page for combat stuff. Otherwise, it starts to look really cramped on the first page, and I can't extrapolate on all the minuatae that I have for this sheet. yeah - I even sometimes slip up when playing and list them in the feats section too. Mainly though, I think this only adds to the sheet, and as usual this is easily edited out and replaced with the MESSy(stem) [that's the Martial, Exotic Simple System]. Just use the rest of the spaes for Exotic weapon profs for a space filler :) Thanks for all the compliments, and the fair reveiw :) For D&D period, this can be used IMX. The only that gets changed in my homebrews version is a different languages section. The only problem is that, IMX, alot of important details get lost, and the sheet can't be made "for everyone". I can upload Axiems 3.0 version into a new thread, and post another poll if I really want to shoot that down - it's hayday is long over :p Wait: isn't that what I did? Not sure of the point here :confused: Well, I personally create a journal logs for each session which the players can easily reference, so this generally isn't an issue for me. I just think that a character sheet is more for the crunch and less for the fluff. All good ideas, however :) Thansk for the feedback. okay, shoot! How so? Sorry, my uberness is at a loss as how to do this, so this is not something I can do :\ Sorry: I never sold it as self-calculating, and there are no plans to haev a version (done by me) which features this. Also, you'd have to go through alot of paper to re-print this off for when stuff like soemthing as insignitifgant as [i]Buls Strength[/i] affects you. Personally, a pencil and a caculator are all I need to add. :D Thansk man :D Same to you: cheers! Oh well, I guess I can't win over everyone :p As said before, increasing the font size might be a good idea for some, so why not try that out instead? Personally, fitting another line of skills on Page 1 is not my idea of getting a 'premium' experience with a Char sheet over a few free laughs. Go for it! I can take it :] :p Yeah, its a word doc, but not much I can do with that, as I don't have any of those programs mentioned :\ I just try and do what I can in word :) Well, it was more "hmmm, where will [i]this[/i] fit when push came to shove. Version 2 to 3 had tons of changes, and one was placement of most things. Combat, in my sheet, got it's own page, so that's the final call. I know, and there isn't much I can do for spacing, other than making the boxes 1x1 in stead of the current 2x2 size and have it that way. As I said to [b] Blackrat[/b] I find that this cause this info to get ost in my group, but it may appeal to a wider audience. you know, this isn't a bad idea. I could further divvy ths up to "Stored" and "On Person" This is something which hasn't changed since Axiems sheet, and probably isn't the best system - so I'll look into your fair suggestions and se what i can incorperate. Thanks - that was a great help for me :D Personally, this is something which I don't think belongs on a character sheet proper - but in all fairness, I [i]had[/i] a 'HP rolled" section on page 1, before making "Skill Mods" and "Skill POints" larger and adding in "Player Name" (something I've been meaning to do) on it. This is somethin which I agree is very useful - denoting LA, Racial HD, and different classes. Again, somehtin which I think is useful, but don't, ATM, have enough room to fit in... Hmmm.... Thanks you for the fair reveiw :) Same to you :) [/QUOTE]
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