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<blockquote data-quote="cjosephs1s" data-source="post: 5712354" data-attributes="member: 6683450">Arrowhawk:&nbsp; Glad I could help bring a smile to your face.&nbsp; After all DnD is a game and is supposed to be fun (even if we are just on the forums).&nbsp; &nbsp;Empirate:&nbsp; Yes fighters depend on their magic items just like every other class.&nbsp; Take away the wizards magic items and he's not nearly as powerful as one with magic items.&nbsp; It seems that almost every wizard thread has included some very potent magic items that are used to enhance their abilities and keep them alive.&nbsp; Just a good fighter would bring to a fight.&nbsp; I'm sure with unlimited resources either class could be nigh invincible against the other without even have to worry about tactics or dice rolls.&nbsp; &nbsp;While you haven't used a lot of total daily alotment of spells I think that everyone would agree that a 9th level spell is a significantly more valued resource than a 1st level spell going against a CR 20 battle.&nbsp; &nbsp;As far as the rods I read it directly from DMG as I am not as familiar with wizards and their gear as the rest.&nbsp; I also did this with all other spells to be sure of what they said.&nbsp; Now my interpretation of the rules could be wrong but that's what a DM is for and I'd rather not go on a tangent discussion about the rules.&nbsp; The HD of controlled critters for gate falls under this domain as well (feel free to start a new thread on either of these if you like and we can discuss them and get outside opinions as I think they would make good topics of discussion).&nbsp; &nbsp;Dandu:&nbsp; I must have missed some errata on Lesser Celerity somewhere I read it 4 times and it still says move action but regardless the Greater version still lets you do what you need to so mute point for this combat cenario.&nbsp; &nbsp;Wow that's one nasty Monster.&nbsp; Don't tell my DM about that guy geez!&nbsp; I think I have finally met a monster my character would be afraid of (and he wasn't even scared of the CR 21 tree thing hitting him for 50d10 lightning bolts when he was level 13..lol&nbsp; Its a gestalt campaign).&nbsp; &nbsp;I love the portable hole/bag trick.&nbsp; Finally something that is cool and not just &quot;I'm gonna find a monster to kill you&quot;&nbsp; While this is effective I don't see it any different than my fighter being effective because he will physically beat things down...the one trick pony if you will.&nbsp; &nbsp;I guess I was looking for a magic vs physical matchup here.&nbsp; The wizard using nothing but magic to stop the fighter and not resort to physical vs physical (even though wizards used magic to conjure something to do it its still not the same).&nbsp; &nbsp;In General:&nbsp; While wizards rise to the top in this fight vs fighter types and I have a great deal more respect for them now I'd hope that every good wizard would want the &quot;one trick pony&quot; fighter in their party as much as the fighter wants the wizard.&nbsp; &nbsp;So let me thank all involved for rendering me unconcious...lol&nbsp; Please take me to a priest so I can be healed/ressurected now and then buy you all an ale and have a good laugh...lol</blockquote>

[QUOTE="cjosephs1s, post: 5712354, member: 6683450"] Arrowhawk: Glad I could help bring a smile to your face. After all DnD is a game and is supposed to be fun (even if we are just on the forums). Empirate: Yes fighters depend on their magic items just like every other class. Take away the wizards magic items and he's not nearly as powerful as one with magic items. It seems that almost every wizard thread has included some very potent magic items that are used to enhance their abilities and keep them alive. Just a good fighter would bring to a fight. I'm sure with unlimited resources either class could be nigh invincible against the other without even have to worry about tactics or dice rolls. While you haven't used a lot of total daily alotment of spells I think that everyone would agree that a 9th level spell is a significantly more valued resource than a 1st level spell going against a CR 20 battle. As far as the rods I read it directly from DMG as I am not as familiar with wizards and their gear as the rest. I also did this with all other spells to be sure of what they said. Now my interpretation of the rules could be wrong but that's what a DM is for and I'd rather not go on a tangent discussion about the rules. The HD of controlled critters for gate falls under this domain as well (feel free to start a new thread on either of these if you like and we can discuss them and get outside opinions as I think they would make good topics of discussion). Dandu: I must have missed some errata on Lesser Celerity somewhere I read it 4 times and it still says move action but regardless the Greater version still lets you do what you need to so mute point for this combat cenario. Wow that's one nasty Monster. Don't tell my DM about that guy geez! I think I have finally met a monster my character would be afraid of (and he wasn't even scared of the CR 21 tree thing hitting him for 50d10 lightning bolts when he was level 13..lol Its a gestalt campaign). I love the portable hole/bag trick. Finally something that is cool and not just "I'm gonna find a monster to kill you" While this is effective I don't see it any different than my fighter being effective because he will physically beat things down...the one trick pony if you will. I guess I was looking for a magic vs physical matchup here. The wizard using nothing but magic to stop the fighter and not resort to physical vs physical (even though wizards used magic to conjure something to do it its still not the same). In General: While wizards rise to the top in this fight vs fighter types and I have a great deal more respect for them now I'd hope that every good wizard would want the "one trick pony" fighter in their party as much as the fighter wants the wizard. So let me thank all involved for rendering me unconcious...lol Please take me to a priest so I can be healed/ressurected now and then buy you all an ale and have a good laugh...lol [/QUOTE]

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