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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 4313649" data-attributes="member: 18">Mourn - Because Eladrins are fey and &quot;glam&quot;. To the max. They're the whole &quot;OMG I totally want to be a noble sidhe, like, fer sure!&quot; (sidhe mispronounced &quot;sid-he&quot; inevitably). Like a fashion-goth just saw Labyrinth and had a life-changing experience. Some people like that sort of thing, that's cool, because D&amp;D's races have generally been a fairly broad church. I mean, they've had halflings for years. And gnomes, and I think I've seen all of about three of them played, and none of them beyond level 5.In our games, Grey Elves were a lot less &quot;fey&quot; than Wood or High (vanilla) Elves, very intellectual and very solid (I'm not sure what influenced us into this view). So when they're suddenly &quot;OF THE FAE!!!!!&quot; and stuff it's kind of funny. Like meeting an old friend you've not seen for a while and finding that he's wearing frilly shirts, painting his nails and has glitter mascara on. Hence mockery of these glam-rock Elves. I do think they add to the game rather than subtract for it (I'm not sure Halflings do, otoh, they're a bit personality-free, ymwv).Also they (and I) didn't have much time for the idea of them having eyes that were solid globes of colour. That can go to hell together with whichever WotC designer has the sad obsession with the concept (which he felt he needed to inflict on Tieflings as well).Semi-ironically, I'm pretty sure well see them getting played before we see any Halflings. I also suspect we'll see a Dragonborn before too long.On counters, yeah, I really need to order the Alea stuff, it looks perfect for our needs.As for &quot;don't be evil&quot;, hey maybe they did, I don't recall. If they did, I guarantee there was eye-rolling every time <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I think 4E puts in a slightly more eye-rolling way than previous editions might have, too. Unaligned was a big hit, though, like I said.I'll certainly drink the &quot;basic 4E books are decent&quot; kool-aid (I'd prefer ribena if you have it though, kool-aid scares me. It's like drinking sweets), time will tell if the &quot;whole deal&quot; improves things or makes them worse. I certainly prefer it to 3.XE, but I think that's been clear for a while, as I said in another thread, 4E is kind of what I expected 3E to be, so many years ago.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 4313649, member: 18"] [B]Mourn[/B] - Because Eladrins are fey and "glam". To the max. They're the whole "OMG I totally want to be a noble sidhe, like, fer sure!" (sidhe mispronounced "sid-he" inevitably). Like a fashion-goth just saw Labyrinth and had a life-changing experience. Some people like that sort of thing, that's cool, because D&D's races have generally been a fairly broad church. I mean, they've had halflings for years. And gnomes, and I think I've seen all of about three of them played, and none of them beyond level 5. In our games, Grey Elves were a lot [I]less[/I] "fey" than Wood or High (vanilla) Elves, very intellectual and very solid (I'm not sure what influenced us into this view). So when they're suddenly "OF THE FAE!!!!!" and stuff it's kind of funny. Like meeting an old friend you've not seen for a while and finding that he's wearing frilly shirts, painting his nails and has glitter mascara on. Hence mockery of these glam-rock Elves. I do think they add to the game rather than subtract for it (I'm not sure Halflings do, otoh, they're a bit personality-free, ymwv). Also they (and I) didn't have much time for the idea of them having eyes that were solid globes of colour. That can go to hell together with whichever WotC designer has the sad obsession with the concept (which he felt he needed to inflict on Tieflings as well). Semi-ironically, I'm pretty sure well see them getting played before we see any Halflings. I also suspect we'll see a Dragonborn before too long. On counters, yeah, I really need to order the Alea stuff, it looks perfect for our needs. As for "don't be evil", hey maybe they did, I don't recall. If they did, I guarantee there was eye-rolling every time :) I think 4E puts in a slightly more eye-rolling way than previous editions might have, too. Unaligned was a big hit, though, like I said. I'll certainly drink the "basic 4E books are decent" kool-aid (I'd prefer ribena if you have it though, kool-aid scares me. It's like drinking sweets), time will tell if the "whole deal" improves things or makes them worse. I certainly prefer it to 3.XE, but I think that's been clear for a while, as I said in another thread, 4E is kind of what I expected 3E to be, so many years ago. [/QUOTE]

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