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Message: <blockquote data-quote="satori01" data-source="post: 3059260" data-attributes="member: 7859">Umm, who is being a bit rude now?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />   The moral of the story is there are plenty of things in the game that can kill even the most  "overpowered" of classes. I understand why people do not like this book.  I understand why people do not like peanut butter in their chocolate, but at some point those who do not like peanut butter in their chocolate,  have to chaulk it up to a taste thing.Felon, you counter arguement again shows to me that you have not spent enough time reading the book, or are just so consumed by your hatred of the Warblade, that you are spinning instead of analyzing.Warblades as a class can no more can redo Saving Throws than the cleric classs.  However like the player of a cleric that selects the Luck domain,  and gets the benefit of re rolling a Saving Throw,  some of the Martial Adept classes get access to Maneuvers that can let them substite Concentration checks for saving throws of different types....ohh scary.  So scary we have seen PrCs with the same abillity..we have seen spells that have greater effecacy in the same vein...ala Ruin Delver's Fortune in Spell Compendium.So yes a Warblade or Swordsage COULD develop their character to be a willy and hard to kill character, with lots of chances to possibly survive ridiculous saving throws...at the oportunity cost of losing out on much cooler things.....pretty much the same desing philosophy of 3.x...choices not restraints...and a hallmark of good resource management design.Not to pick on you Felon, (you post commonly in these threads and are well "spoken", and I think you opinions have weight and merit), but I GET IT,  that you think the Warblade is overpowered.Why dont you table that? How is the book, the system, the Manuevers with out the Warblade?  At this point your hatred of the Warblade has been shown.  Limiting yourself to pointing out how you think one class out of 3 is unbalanced, ignores the bulk of the book, the Maneuvers.I also know from prior threads on the Warlock, that Felon hates infinite use per day classes, and has very percise sensibilities regarding resource management,(hence I think the bulk of his disgust for the Warblade class and the swift action Maneuver recovery).  Which brings me back to the whole point of those that do not like peanut butter in their chocolate again,  or to put it another way, when should someone that hates tomatoes realize that maybe their personal tastes do not lend themselves to be the best jude of a tomato contest.</blockquote>

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