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<blockquote data-quote="Wik" data-source="post: 3943640" data-attributes="member: 40177">I don't see how you think I'm slamming the game.&nbsp; Where is my bias towards 2e coming from?&nbsp; I have no more bias against 2e than I do against 1e, BECMI, or 3e.&nbsp; They've all been a lot of fun for me over the years.&nbsp; And I still think you're off on the weapons.&nbsp; For starters, in 1e, weapons had prices, making it easier to sell them off.&nbsp; If I recall, those prices were taken out in 2e, because the designers didn't want to encourage &quot;magic item shops&quot;.&nbsp; I could be wrong there, but I don't remember item prices being in the DMG (whereas they are in the 1e DMG... and BECMI too, I think).&nbsp; So, in 2e, there was either a lot of &quot;guestimmation&quot; on how much you could sell that +1 Ranseur for, or holding on to it in case you came across a monster that could only be hit by +1 or better weapons (a huge beef of mine, and one I'm glad they nerfed in 3e, though they got close with 2e).&nbsp; A 1st level group finds a +1 ranseur and no one's proficient.&nbsp; They wait for three levels, and gain proficiency in it... only to pick up a better weapon down the road.&nbsp; My experience with 2e is it's much more likely for GMs to &quot;seed&quot; their treasures with weapons appropriate to the PC party.&nbsp; Granted, this is good GMing, and it happens in all editions... but in 2e, it's almost necessary to keep the party strong.&nbsp; You can't rely on the random tables.A quirk of the edition - not a &quot;Slam&quot;. As far as I know, 2e is the only edition that makes selling items hazy, and more in the DM's domain.&nbsp; There's a lot less guidelines.&nbsp; I could be wrong on this, though - I don't remember BECMI's system enough to be sure. Ah, well.&nbsp; If you're set on thinking I'm attackign your favourite edition of the game, nothing I'm gonna say will change that.&nbsp; Suffice it to say that, well - I had no intention of really attacking any edition.&nbsp; Because that's silly.&nbsp; I just think it's funny how certain artefacts of the systems can affect the play experience.Imagine playing the D&amp;D encounter with the Shadowrun rules!&nbsp; Or Palladium Fantasy rules!&nbsp; This could get really crazy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wik, post: 3943640, member: 40177"] I don't see how you think I'm slamming the game. Where is my bias towards 2e coming from? I have no more bias against 2e than I do against 1e, BECMI, or 3e. They've all been a lot of fun for me over the years. And I still think you're off on the weapons. For starters, in 1e, weapons had prices, making it easier to sell them off. If I recall, those prices were taken out in 2e, because the designers didn't want to encourage "magic item shops". I could be wrong there, but I don't remember item prices being in the DMG (whereas they are in the 1e DMG... and BECMI too, I think). So, in 2e, there was either a lot of "guestimmation" on how much you could sell that +1 Ranseur for, or holding on to it in case you came across a monster that could only be hit by +1 or better weapons (a huge beef of mine, and one I'm glad they nerfed in 3e, though they got close with 2e). A 1st level group finds a +1 ranseur and no one's proficient. They wait for three levels, and gain proficiency in it... only to pick up a better weapon down the road. My experience with 2e is it's much more likely for GMs to "seed" their treasures with weapons appropriate to the PC party. Granted, this is good GMing, and it happens in all editions... but in 2e, it's almost necessary to keep the party strong. You can't rely on the random tables. A quirk of the edition - not a "Slam". As far as I know, 2e is the only edition that makes selling items hazy, and more in the DM's domain. There's a lot less guidelines. I could be wrong on this, though - I don't remember BECMI's system enough to be sure. Ah, well. If you're set on thinking I'm attackign your favourite edition of the game, nothing I'm gonna say will change that. Suffice it to say that, well - I had no intention of really attacking any edition. Because that's silly. I just think it's funny how certain artefacts of the systems can affect the play experience. Imagine playing the D&D encounter with the Shadowrun rules! Or Palladium Fantasy rules! This could get really crazy. [/QUOTE]

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