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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 6792539" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>I took away that Starkiller base was vulnerable in ways that the Death Star wasn't. The 1st Order seemed very reluctant to reveal the weapon without being in a strategically strong position. In movie, their target wasn't just the new Senate, but the Alliance fleet. Leia (I think) even mentions the difficulty of taking on Starkiller without the fleet -- implying that Starkiller would be vunerable to fleet action. This makes sense, as it is a planet, and the 1st Order could not cover the thing in capital class weapons to be invulnerable from all angles. A fleet could probably bombard the weapon into unusability in short order, even with the shield (and it's unlikely that the shield would cover the whole planet, anyway, leading to a Hoth style landing force).</p><p></p><p>So, the Starkiller HAD to remove the immediately response threat of the Alliance fleet in it's first shot. The motivation to end the Senate was also to cause the Resistance to reveal itself, allowing for an immediate recharge/firing to end the Resistance, the only other group likely to be able to get a fleet response (by borrowing from other planets) to engage the Starkiller. The only way that the use of the Starkiller (keeping it secret until a surprise attack could be successful) works is if it's vulnerable. </p><p></p><p>Which brings me to my only issues with the movie -- so much of this could have been resolved with a few seconds of dialogue here and there. I think they left too much on the cutting room floor that explains the world we're shown a bit better. I don't expect them to do all of the work, but a little more would have been nice.</p><p></p><p>That and the visible destruction of the Hosnian system from seemingly everywhere. Although I did see that the continuity guy for SW tweeted that Starkiller's weapon essentially rips a hole in spacetime for it's FTL shot, and the side effect of that was that the effects of the weapon were visible through that hole to a large chunk of the nearby galaxy. That would be a cool explanation, too bad it wasn't in the movie (a trivially inserted line or two in the Resistance command bunker would have done the work).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 6792539, member: 16814"] I took away that Starkiller base was vulnerable in ways that the Death Star wasn't. The 1st Order seemed very reluctant to reveal the weapon without being in a strategically strong position. In movie, their target wasn't just the new Senate, but the Alliance fleet. Leia (I think) even mentions the difficulty of taking on Starkiller without the fleet -- implying that Starkiller would be vunerable to fleet action. This makes sense, as it is a planet, and the 1st Order could not cover the thing in capital class weapons to be invulnerable from all angles. A fleet could probably bombard the weapon into unusability in short order, even with the shield (and it's unlikely that the shield would cover the whole planet, anyway, leading to a Hoth style landing force). So, the Starkiller HAD to remove the immediately response threat of the Alliance fleet in it's first shot. The motivation to end the Senate was also to cause the Resistance to reveal itself, allowing for an immediate recharge/firing to end the Resistance, the only other group likely to be able to get a fleet response (by borrowing from other planets) to engage the Starkiller. The only way that the use of the Starkiller (keeping it secret until a surprise attack could be successful) works is if it's vulnerable. Which brings me to my only issues with the movie -- so much of this could have been resolved with a few seconds of dialogue here and there. I think they left too much on the cutting room floor that explains the world we're shown a bit better. I don't expect them to do all of the work, but a little more would have been nice. That and the visible destruction of the Hosnian system from seemingly everywhere. Although I did see that the continuity guy for SW tweeted that Starkiller's weapon essentially rips a hole in spacetime for it's FTL shot, and the side effect of that was that the effects of the weapon were visible through that hole to a large chunk of the nearby galaxy. That would be a cool explanation, too bad it wasn't in the movie (a trivially inserted line or two in the Resistance command bunker would have done the work). [/QUOTE]
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