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<blockquote data-quote="Pickles JG" data-source="post: 6333942" data-attributes="member: 61501"><p>Randomly getting killed by a monster popping out of hiding is about as tense & exciting as snakes & </p><p>ladders. It can be fun occasionally but mostly I would like more input into my survival chances. </p><p></p><p>The whole fantasy Vietnam thing seems to fit oddly in this edition. It is very hostile to "story" which is touted as being the main emphasis. The story is very much horror movie when you are just wondering which of the protagonists will be the one to make it out alive. There seems little point getting invested in characters or worrying overmuch about those RP characteristics that many people seem to think are the best things since sliced bread. OTOH you are only expected to play at level 1 & 2 for a session each unlike 1e when first level could be with you for many many sessions so I guess you just have to remain lucky for a short while.</p><p></p><p>Resurrection magic is super easy to come by now so it looks like the style of game where death is cheap but by level 5 pretty much temporary. This is something I always found unsatisfying - I would rather have less frequent deaths but more meaningful ones, especially in terms of what all that resurrection means for the wider world. It also seems to make clerics mandatory again which was never fun. </p><p></p><p>4e definitely made characters too robust but there is a lot of space between 4e & this or 1e, probably filled by the old standby of starting at 3rd level when the game becomes more interesting & less arbitrary. I am happy with this fix myself starting at level 3 will give you that more robust start without the need for variant rules. Not that I don't think I can live with 2 levels of slot machine D&D.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pickles JG, post: 6333942, member: 61501"] Randomly getting killed by a monster popping out of hiding is about as tense & exciting as snakes & ladders. It can be fun occasionally but mostly I would like more input into my survival chances. The whole fantasy Vietnam thing seems to fit oddly in this edition. It is very hostile to "story" which is touted as being the main emphasis. The story is very much horror movie when you are just wondering which of the protagonists will be the one to make it out alive. There seems little point getting invested in characters or worrying overmuch about those RP characteristics that many people seem to think are the best things since sliced bread. OTOH you are only expected to play at level 1 & 2 for a session each unlike 1e when first level could be with you for many many sessions so I guess you just have to remain lucky for a short while. Resurrection magic is super easy to come by now so it looks like the style of game where death is cheap but by level 5 pretty much temporary. This is something I always found unsatisfying - I would rather have less frequent deaths but more meaningful ones, especially in terms of what all that resurrection means for the wider world. It also seems to make clerics mandatory again which was never fun. 4e definitely made characters too robust but there is a lot of space between 4e & this or 1e, probably filled by the old standby of starting at 3rd level when the game becomes more interesting & less arbitrary. I am happy with this fix myself starting at level 3 will give you that more robust start without the need for variant rules. Not that I don't think I can live with 2 levels of slot machine D&D. [/QUOTE]
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