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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blackwarder" data-source="post: 6343703" data-attributes="member: 6688285">No it isn't, your "mathematical analysis" fail to take into account a huge number of variables, such as spell options, terrain variables, players attentions, DM decisions, not to mention the dice rolls. In weapon development we used to call it "pie in the sky analysis", it's when some one just ignore anything that don't help him in advancing his argument.Can 1st level characters die in 5e? Yes.Can it happen to new players? Yes.Can an inexperienced DM "accidently" kill low level characters? Yes again!Is it the norm? Unless you have polling information from hundreds of groups saying otherwise, than going by what people are saying plus my personal experience than I have to say No.Yesterday we had a small gathering at one of the few LFGS in Israel where we had several groups of newbies playing the starter set with two experience DMs and two totally new DMs (my brother being one of them). Me and my DM where there mainly as rules advisors so I had a lot of time to observe (and play Smallworld in between, I lost 2-3) out of four tables we had nearly a dozen characters drop to zero and only one near death and that was a fighter who got mobbed by the bugbear and than it's wolf companion and than rolled a 1 on his death saving throw (was realy exciting, it was a new DM table and he was cackling with glee).I don't have a problem with folks who think that 1st level is too harsh, I have problem with folks who use cocked up analysis to claim that 'Fantasy Vietnam' is the norm instead of actually playing the game.I hold more credability in people who say "IN my experience X happen more than Y", but some half baked mathematical analysis doesn't realy hold any water here.Warder</blockquote>

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