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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Herremann the Wise" data-source="post: 1564531" data-attributes="member: 11300">My Paladin is in the interesting situation of having a Hill Giant on his island who he has converted from evil. Redemption is always possible and should be offered where prisoners are involved. If they fail to do as such, the law will be very quick to deal with such transgressors. So following the tenor of your argument, an orc would provide no difference for me on the basis of just being an orc.However, if it wan an Orc and a more substantial threat to all involved than a betrousered commoner, then more direct action might be possible if the Orc attacked the Paladin. Still, you would not strike from behind and with surprise. You would demand the foul creature either submit to your authority or prepare to defend itself.D+1,My previous statementThey must still submit to righteous authority which was not done in this case. The Paladin had left himself wide open. Paladins are not given carte blanche authority to smite down who they see fit. Again, they are not vigilantes unless their order has been given express permission by the authorities to act as such.Vindicator has given no direction that his paladin had any issue with the legitimacy of the authorites. Even if he had, he is still bound by his own code which I am positive he trangressed - at least as far as his DM saw it.Paladin's don't have to "Play nice". They have to play fair; ALWAYS. This does not mean that they have to be stupid about it either. In terms of being above reproach,Again, I suppose I'm old school when it comes to these things.Others will try to sully your name but through faith in your God and by the steadfast path of righteousness that you walk, you will prevail!By straying from the righteous path - and cutting down a defenceless, unarmed man - you give credence to the slander that others will throw at you.Simply put: no.A paladin lives to follow the law, not to assume that he is above it. He has acted against his code in a profound way - based on his DM's ruling of circumstances. Therefore atonement should be offered.However, your view of atonement and mine differ greatly. The act of atonement was certainly not simple for my character. It took him at least a level before he had convinced his superiors that he was back on the path and even now at 13th level, he still has difficulties over his actions on that fateful day.Best RegardsHerremann the Wise</blockquote>

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