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My Paladin killed a child molester (and now my DM wants to take away my powers!)
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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 1566735" data-attributes="member: 5834"><p><strong>re</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That is a really false idea of honor. Honor was generally something dependent on station. The Paladin need not show much honor towards a peasant raping a girl. He could grab the guy with no explanation and behead him. Then walk out of the room with the little girl and say to the barkeep, "Clean up the mess in that room. This little girl needs attending."</p><p></p><p>It is the conventions I play with which may be the reason I disagree so vehemently with some of the folks trying to make claims of right to trial and right to accusation. In medieval times near as a I can tell, if a holy knight found a peasant comitting a reprehensible crime, he could put that peasant down without a second thought.</p><p></p><p>In my mind, Paladin's and priests of gods of like Tyr and Torm are the law of the land. Deities wield immense and visible power, and very few would challenge their servants save for perhaps wizards. If they decide you've done a crime, even if they do so arbitrarily after walking into a room, then that law is respected.</p><p></p><p>A deity will know if the criminal is true or not. If the criminal was truly a criminal and the deity with his ominiscence is aware of it, then why would he punish his paladin for carrying out justice? D&D, and more specifically the Forgotten Realms, is not a world of ambiguous justice where we are unsure of whether or not a perp committed the crime or not. The Paladin was sure to the best of his knowledge, and carried out a fitting punishment while in a state of righteous rage. </p><p></p><p>Unless that child molester was not really a criminal, then the God has no reason whatsoever to punish his faithful servant for executing immediately an evil criminal. Maybe a slap on the hand for now speaking to the vermin first, but certainly nowhere near a removal of his paladin powers for properly carrying out justice.</p><p></p><p>Honor is a matter of station. A Paladin need not give honorable combat to a lowly commoner. If the commoner is so evil that he molests children, he is probably viewed truly as vermin, beneath even words. He is like stamping out a rat on the ground: killed and forgotten.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 1566735, member: 5834"] [b]re[/b] That is a really false idea of honor. Honor was generally something dependent on station. The Paladin need not show much honor towards a peasant raping a girl. He could grab the guy with no explanation and behead him. Then walk out of the room with the little girl and say to the barkeep, "Clean up the mess in that room. This little girl needs attending." It is the conventions I play with which may be the reason I disagree so vehemently with some of the folks trying to make claims of right to trial and right to accusation. In medieval times near as a I can tell, if a holy knight found a peasant comitting a reprehensible crime, he could put that peasant down without a second thought. In my mind, Paladin's and priests of gods of like Tyr and Torm are the law of the land. Deities wield immense and visible power, and very few would challenge their servants save for perhaps wizards. If they decide you've done a crime, even if they do so arbitrarily after walking into a room, then that law is respected. A deity will know if the criminal is true or not. If the criminal was truly a criminal and the deity with his ominiscence is aware of it, then why would he punish his paladin for carrying out justice? D&D, and more specifically the Forgotten Realms, is not a world of ambiguous justice where we are unsure of whether or not a perp committed the crime or not. The Paladin was sure to the best of his knowledge, and carried out a fitting punishment while in a state of righteous rage. Unless that child molester was not really a criminal, then the God has no reason whatsoever to punish his faithful servant for executing immediately an evil criminal. Maybe a slap on the hand for now speaking to the vermin first, but certainly nowhere near a removal of his paladin powers for properly carrying out justice. Honor is a matter of station. A Paladin need not give honorable combat to a lowly commoner. If the commoner is so evil that he molests children, he is probably viewed truly as vermin, beneath even words. He is like stamping out a rat on the ground: killed and forgotten. [/QUOTE]
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