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<blockquote data-quote="Deadguy" data-source="post: 1566848" data-attributes="member: 2480"><p>I have stayed out of this thread, since little good ever comes of these Paladin discussions other than increasingly shrill words as game and reality become blurred in the posters' replies.</p><p></p><p>But since this a pure historical point, I wanted to say that I have <em>never</em> come across this description of Simon de Montfort, and the Edward Longshanks you describe is the Longshanks of <em>Braveheart</em>! I'd be the first to say I am not an historian, but having played an <em>Ars Magica</em> campaign that ran right through the reign of Edward I, I read widely around its history.</p><p></p><p>Was Edward a hard man? Yes, most certainly. But every successful monarch of this age had to be pretty damned ruthless if they were going to have a kingdom left. There's little sense of national identity and patriotism, and most magnates were interested only in what personally improved their station. Likewise, your characterisation of the de Montfort's rebellion is, I think, coloured by looking backwards and knowing what happened to the governance of England. de Montfort was not, I feel, a man acting to aid the common weal; he was a powerful noble who was concerned with controlling his king (Henry III, Edward's father) to prevent him from draining further power and authority away from the magnates.</p><p></p><p>Clearly in mediaeval historical matters, there is much scope for disagreement, even from primary sources. But it did sound that you were stating as fact to support an unrelated thesis.</p><p></p><p>Sorry, now to return you to your previous Paladin Animosity. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Deadguy, post: 1566848, member: 2480"] I have stayed out of this thread, since little good ever comes of these Paladin discussions other than increasingly shrill words as game and reality become blurred in the posters' replies. But since this a pure historical point, I wanted to say that I have [i]never[/i] come across this description of Simon de Montfort, and the Edward Longshanks you describe is the Longshanks of [i]Braveheart[/i]! I'd be the first to say I am not an historian, but having played an [i]Ars Magica[/i] campaign that ran right through the reign of Edward I, I read widely around its history. Was Edward a hard man? Yes, most certainly. But every successful monarch of this age had to be pretty damned ruthless if they were going to have a kingdom left. There's little sense of national identity and patriotism, and most magnates were interested only in what personally improved their station. Likewise, your characterisation of the de Montfort's rebellion is, I think, coloured by looking backwards and knowing what happened to the governance of England. de Montfort was not, I feel, a man acting to aid the common weal; he was a powerful noble who was concerned with controlling his king (Henry III, Edward's father) to prevent him from draining further power and authority away from the magnates. Clearly in mediaeval historical matters, there is much scope for disagreement, even from primary sources. But it did sound that you were stating as fact to support an unrelated thesis. Sorry, now to return you to your previous Paladin Animosity. ;) [/QUOTE]
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