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<blockquote data-quote="historian" data-source="post: 1567246" data-attributes="member: 13438"><p>IMHO - and I apologize if this has already been posted (ton of replies) is that the paladin should be set on a path of atonement for the act (which was good, in my definition, but not lawful).</p><p></p><p>The line betwee vigilantism and the defense of a third party (which is similar to self defense) must be drawn here. Your paladin was present to witness an apparent crime (kidnapping) and another about to happen (violation, etc.) but he acted before the violating (or physical harm) ocurred. Think of it this way, under the circumstances, a police officer would not have been able to use deadly force to subdue the offender, nor would a citizen, even if the citizen were a family member of the victim (though the outcome might have been different if the defender were in the process of torturing the victim). Your paladin had an opportunity to subdue the offender using non-deadly means before he was able to harm the child. Thus, by slicing the bad guy's head off, your paladin crossed the line between legitimately defending a third party to vigilantism. As unjust as this may sound, your paladin likely gets charged with murder in modern America, and pleads to some lesser manslaughter charge.</p><p></p><p>Of course, the laws in your campaign world may allow for more expansive measures to be taken on behalf of third parties. In sum, if you can justify your paladin's behavior as legal, then no stripping and atonement. Otherwise, the bad news. Tough call, but it sounds like your DM is being fair (imagine if he had thrown you a nasty curveball like tricking your character into killing an innocent who just seemed guilty of this unspeakable stuff).</p><p></p><p>BTW and FWIW, your campaign sounds awesome and your paladin would meet my standard for morality (but I'm caught between NG and N, not LG). </p><p></p><p>Good luck!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="historian, post: 1567246, member: 13438"] IMHO - and I apologize if this has already been posted (ton of replies) is that the paladin should be set on a path of atonement for the act (which was good, in my definition, but not lawful). The line betwee vigilantism and the defense of a third party (which is similar to self defense) must be drawn here. Your paladin was present to witness an apparent crime (kidnapping) and another about to happen (violation, etc.) but he acted before the violating (or physical harm) ocurred. Think of it this way, under the circumstances, a police officer would not have been able to use deadly force to subdue the offender, nor would a citizen, even if the citizen were a family member of the victim (though the outcome might have been different if the defender were in the process of torturing the victim). Your paladin had an opportunity to subdue the offender using non-deadly means before he was able to harm the child. Thus, by slicing the bad guy's head off, your paladin crossed the line between legitimately defending a third party to vigilantism. As unjust as this may sound, your paladin likely gets charged with murder in modern America, and pleads to some lesser manslaughter charge. Of course, the laws in your campaign world may allow for more expansive measures to be taken on behalf of third parties. In sum, if you can justify your paladin's behavior as legal, then no stripping and atonement. Otherwise, the bad news. Tough call, but it sounds like your DM is being fair (imagine if he had thrown you a nasty curveball like tricking your character into killing an innocent who just seemed guilty of this unspeakable stuff). BTW and FWIW, your campaign sounds awesome and your paladin would meet my standard for morality (but I'm caught between NG and N, not LG). Good luck! [/QUOTE]
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