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Message: <blockquote data-quote="historian" data-source="post: 1567484" data-attributes="member: 13438">These are certainly fair points and, generally speaking, I don't disagree one iota.  Another way of thinking about this is that paladins should obey the laws of the land so long as they do not conflict with the paladin's code.  Indeed, I could imagine a situation where a paladin found himself in an entirely lawful, but evil setting (one that promoted forced servitude, etc.) where a paladin was constantly running afoul of the law.Put another way, the standard by which the paladin should be judged should be put forth by his (her) order and supplemented by general notions of morality.  Otherwise (if the paladin were held to both the order's and the laws standard) a paladin would be subject to an undue amount of "catch-22" scnarios where he is unable to adhere to the order's code and the law which, could in effect make the character unplayable.However, close calls still arise, and paladins (almost by definition) are held to high standards.  What if the character had slain a teenager for stealing chickens, or mistakenly punished the wrong person despite all the evidence that that person is the wrongdoer (ex. the real molester, having discovered the presence of the paladin, coerces a mentally handicapped blind man into the room with instructions to unzip his pants and say something incriminating)?But I digress, if the paladin was acting pursuant to an established code, then he's probably ok w/in the order (but nevertheless may be subject to local punishment).  However, if the paladin was acting in the service of a deity who takes a more rigorous view of procedural justice, then he's out. He he <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> , no arguments here.  I also think many paladins wouldn't avail themselves of all the applicable Constitutional rights.</blockquote>

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