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My Paladin killed a child molester (and now my DM wants to take away my powers!)
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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 1568428" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>"Compelled" in this context means driven to act by the acts of another. That is, he didn't use deadly force just for the hell of it, nor did he intend to kill that guy as soon as he found him, or any other hunting scenario, but instead had a reasonable justification for doing so- namely saving the life of another.</p><p></p><p>The Paladin wasn't acting out of revenge. He didn't follow the guy thinking "I'm gonna kill him." Instead, he was investigating a shady character who then proceeded to commit a heinous crime in front of him. His options- do nothing (law doesn't require a civilian to act except under certain circumstances not met here); go for help (which may not prevent an assault which could end in murder, and the assailant might escape in the delay between departure and return); call out (which may have stopped the assault or resulted in a fight he doesn't know if he can win, after which the assault will resume); or immediate use of deadly force.</p><p></p><p>"Necessary" in this context would mean that the person using deadly force believes that there is no other safe way to prevent the action being attempted. The law does not require a civilian to put himself in harms way to prevent an injury before resorting to deadly force.</p><p></p><p>Here, we don't know what would have happened if the Paladin had shouted "Hold, miscreant!" Given the locale, he might have just been cruising for a bruising- who knows if the assailant had allies in the bar?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Some truth there, but re-read the original post. Back room of a tavern in a gritty campaign. No mention of anyone else in the room but the victim and her assailant. No watchman in evidence, no mention of whether he or the assailant would have the better chance of getting allies if either called for help. That Paladin was the last hope she had- if he failed to rescue her, she's not getting rescued.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 1568428, member: 19675"] "Compelled" in this context means driven to act by the acts of another. That is, he didn't use deadly force just for the hell of it, nor did he intend to kill that guy as soon as he found him, or any other hunting scenario, but instead had a reasonable justification for doing so- namely saving the life of another. The Paladin wasn't acting out of revenge. He didn't follow the guy thinking "I'm gonna kill him." Instead, he was investigating a shady character who then proceeded to commit a heinous crime in front of him. His options- do nothing (law doesn't require a civilian to act except under certain circumstances not met here); go for help (which may not prevent an assault which could end in murder, and the assailant might escape in the delay between departure and return); call out (which may have stopped the assault or resulted in a fight he doesn't know if he can win, after which the assault will resume); or immediate use of deadly force. "Necessary" in this context would mean that the person using deadly force believes that there is no other safe way to prevent the action being attempted. The law does not require a civilian to put himself in harms way to prevent an injury before resorting to deadly force. Here, we don't know what would have happened if the Paladin had shouted "Hold, miscreant!" Given the locale, he might have just been cruising for a bruising- who knows if the assailant had allies in the bar? Some truth there, but re-read the original post. Back room of a tavern in a gritty campaign. No mention of anyone else in the room but the victim and her assailant. No watchman in evidence, no mention of whether he or the assailant would have the better chance of getting allies if either called for help. That Paladin was the last hope she had- if he failed to rescue her, she's not getting rescued. [/QUOTE]
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