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My Paladin killed a child molester (and now my DM wants to take away my powers!)
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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 1569803" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>In the eyes of the law, "Deadly force" doesn't equal "used a weapon," it means force likely to cause serious bodily injury. Someone who is a trained martial artist, be he boxer, savate expert, or sensei of the local dojo could be accused of using deadly force if they struck someone with only their bare hands or feet. Even a sap or brass knuckles could be considered deadly force. The paladin is a trained warrior. He is wearing armor, including, presumably, gauntlets of some kind. Almost any kind of force he brings to bear could be considered deadly unless he is <strong>trained</strong> in non-lethal fighting styles (submission holds and joint locks).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Subjective belief is all that is required.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is not overly speculative at all. We're talking about rational human behavior.</p><p></p><p>As they say, it goes to state of mind. A Paladin in a high-class neigborhood may have felt more at ease- theoretically he has more potential allies in a "good" neigborhood, so merely raising a ruckus as he apprehends the scumbag would be sufficient. He would feel reasonably assured that he would have more allies in the area than the assailant- the city watch, the good people of the tavern, the law abiding taverner, etc.</p><p></p><p>If, on the other hand, the party is in a waterfront tavern frequented by ruffians, the Paladin has no expectation of assistance beyond his partymates. The taverner? Probably a smuggler. The other people in the bar might not have been the rapist's allies, but the call of "Hold, Miscreant!" could very well have started a rumble that could have left many dead and dying, and DEFINITELY would have held up any help the Paladin could have hoped for.</p><p></p><p>Ask yourself- don't you alter your behavior based on where you are? If you go into a gang-controlled neigborhood, aren't you a bit more wary of those around you? Aren't you more relaxed where the lighting is good, the cars are expensive and the cops are in sight?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 1569803, member: 19675"] In the eyes of the law, "Deadly force" doesn't equal "used a weapon," it means force likely to cause serious bodily injury. Someone who is a trained martial artist, be he boxer, savate expert, or sensei of the local dojo could be accused of using deadly force if they struck someone with only their bare hands or feet. Even a sap or brass knuckles could be considered deadly force. The paladin is a trained warrior. He is wearing armor, including, presumably, gauntlets of some kind. Almost any kind of force he brings to bear could be considered deadly unless he is [B]trained[/B] in non-lethal fighting styles (submission holds and joint locks). Subjective belief is all that is required. Yes. This is not overly speculative at all. We're talking about rational human behavior. As they say, it goes to state of mind. A Paladin in a high-class neigborhood may have felt more at ease- theoretically he has more potential allies in a "good" neigborhood, so merely raising a ruckus as he apprehends the scumbag would be sufficient. He would feel reasonably assured that he would have more allies in the area than the assailant- the city watch, the good people of the tavern, the law abiding taverner, etc. If, on the other hand, the party is in a waterfront tavern frequented by ruffians, the Paladin has no expectation of assistance beyond his partymates. The taverner? Probably a smuggler. The other people in the bar might not have been the rapist's allies, but the call of "Hold, Miscreant!" could very well have started a rumble that could have left many dead and dying, and DEFINITELY would have held up any help the Paladin could have hoped for. Ask yourself- don't you alter your behavior based on where you are? If you go into a gang-controlled neigborhood, aren't you a bit more wary of those around you? Aren't you more relaxed where the lighting is good, the cars are expensive and the cops are in sight? [/QUOTE]
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