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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 78390" data-attributes="member: 710">Well, the next time you (and perhaps the players) will know better. By the way, I think the problem of your player might also be based on their lack of experience with the point buy system.. I believe my first 25-point buy character did only rely on his strength - at first levels, that was okay, but later it became dissapointing (damn! What feat to choose? I don`t qualify for any useful feats! Oh now, again an enchantment...)I believe in the PHB or the DMG there is also a "standard ability score" range or something like that, this gives a good example how you should distribute scores without giving up to much ...But for Fighters & Barbarians a Charisma Score of 8 is probably one of the best solutions, though you should always think of the fact that Charisma 8 does mean that you are NOT cool, even not when you just whirlwind through a dozens of orcs and after that slay a dragon. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />The Bard (Charisma 16) looks much cooler, even if he only sings a funny song while you do the job. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />That might be the advantage of the 4d6 stat roll method - thanks to the randomness you might come up without those "dump stats". On the other hand, there is no guranteed balance, and that is why I prefer the point buy system...Mustrum Ridcully</blockquote>

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