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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sullivan" data-source="post: 1990044" data-attributes="member: 28152">Karinsdad, up until now you have been holding up the ambigousness of an incomplete list in a section of the rules, as being ambigousness in the rules as a whole. This is a section in a chapter that does not deal directly with the topic in detail, chiefly because that is the role of a seperate chapter and section. A separate chapter and section I have pointed out where it is explicit. For the rules to be seen as ambigous in the whole you must make the choice, a choice every DM is free to make, to ignore portions of the rules. But stop trying to pass off your choice as something other than Rule Zero. Go through the Combat section doing a Search for "such as". You'll find incomplete lists. Lists that could be shorter or left out entirely, with only the short naming of the grouping of situation or factors. But they chose to include common examples in incomplete lists. They then expand in detail on those lists of factors and situations in the section that deals directly with it.  Now we see you depart onto something much, much wierder. Akin to tea reading. Reading interpretations into what a free action means by inaccurate characterisations of groupings by using circular logic. That whole of #4 has gotten much, much worse problems than what Hypersmurf points out. The problem of grappling disrupting Quickened spells because it explicitly states that all spells [EDIT:that] can even be started [EDIT:during grappling] can be disrupted by grappling. Also if the Quickened spells require something less than full spell concentration i'd like to see where you can cast a Quickened spell in the middle of maintaining a spell or in the middle of casting.</blockquote>

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