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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1998158" data-attributes="member: 2011">I think you misunderstood why I thought it was lame.A player came up with a clever idea. He tricked his DM into letting him do it, probably because he knew he was exploiting the rules.Another gamer states "Let him do it, but ready the archers on the SECOND spell".Now, examine this statement closely. Not only is a normal readied action something that might not trigger, but now we are adding in a level of complexity where it is even MORE rare that a second spell will be cast and trigger the ready action.So although on the surface this suggestion is also within the rules as doable, no real warrior (as you stated, that is, such people were they to exist) in their right mind would EVER do it just because it will have him not fire his arrow at all 99+% of the time.Not only that, but the warrior would not know if the swift first spell was being used to protect a second spell or fireball quickly.This opens up a big rock, paper, scissors can of worms between the DM and the player.Does the DM play his warriors as knowledgeable of this obscure tactic? Does the player throw a Quickened Fireball every once in a while to fool the DM? Does the DM, knowing that it is a Quickened Fireball pretend that his archers did NOT ready on the second spell this time?It becomes an arms race between the player and the DM (this is why I think this ready on the second spell suggestion is lame).Better to just avoid these type of (relatively stupid) issues before they start.We all know this tactic was legal. Some people think it was clever, others think it was an exploitation. Since the original poster thought it was an exploitation, my suggestion to him is to make this tactic illegal so that the rock, paper, scissors problem doesn't occur.He is the DM, he should take charge whenever he views a tactic as abusive.</blockquote>

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