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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5751695" data-attributes="member: 2011">Worse than that is the sheer amount of boredom when the players need to roll 15+ to hit. They're lucky if the entire team hits twice per round. The BBEG on the other hand hits 95% of his attacks with attacks that average 30+ points per round. Such an attack would take out most 13th level PCs with 3 hits.Additionally, such a foe should be dropping effects on the PCs that should really hurt them. Such a foe should also focus fire on the PCs that do appear to hit him the most often and for the most damage. A PC Rogue should be down in 2 to 3 rounds depending on if the BBEG can attack more than once per round. The PC Leader is also a prime target. The leader heals one PC and bam, the BBEG should be all over that leader.Personally, I think that with the type of effects that a 9 level higher elite can put out, most parties would be hard pressed.However, I do agree with you. Let the players play. They too will be pulling out their big guns and I think that overall, the fight will be close.There are PC powers that can turn a BBEG into a frog or send him to the Feywild or whatever for a least a round or put a wall between the PCs and him, giving the PCs a one round breather. I think that Piratecat shouldn't change the encounter at all and see what happens. He might be totally surprised by what his players come up with. He shouldn't water down the encounter.Course, this assumes that the Elite is being used as a solo. If he has significant help, all bets are off.</blockquote>

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