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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5752452" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Well, it depends on what PC means by him being statted as a lone PC.</p><p></p><p>If he means that he is entirely statted as a PC, then you are correct. He really won't have enough hit points to stand up to the PCs and PC will find out why a DM never stats an NPC with the full PC rules. 3 lucky striker hits and the BBEG is down. This guy won't last 3 full rounds if the PCs focus every single one of their attacks on him and ignore his allies.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If PC means that his powers and possibly his ability scores are statted as a PC, but the rest of him is statted as a 22 level elite, then that's different.</p><p></p><p>A level 22 Elite typically has 400 to 500 hit points. He does 30+ points per attack, not the 40+ that a PC Fighter might do at that level (but, with multiple close burst 1 attacks). If PC stats his attacks as normal PC Fighter attacks with a cool magic weapon and feats and such, this guy will probably do more damage. The PCs that hit on a 6 at level one often do so because they have Expertise added already. Those PCs lose 10, not 9, to hit the BBEG and need a 16 to hit. Other PCs need an 18 or even a 19 to hit.</p><p></p><p>PC would be crazy to write this guy up completely as a 22 level Fighter. One critical by a striker and this guy is bloodied. Action Economy will wipe this guy out in 3 rounds.</p><p></p><p>As a 22 level Elite, though, this guy will probably stand up to 10 to 12 rounds or so from the PCs. But, the PCs will be throwing the kitchen sink at this guy. Sure, he'll be hitting 1 to 3 of them every round for 30 points of damage, but with 80 to 100 hit points each, heals, and resists and such, he'll probably need to wade through 600 to 700 hit points to take out the PCs in those same 10 to 12 rounds. That's 50 to 70 average assuming that the party controller doesn't turn him into a frog for a round. The BBEG needs to be attacking at least 2 PCs (and not PC allies) every round. The PCs have to be doing 400 to 500 points of damage in those 10 to 12 rounds, or 33 to 50 points per round. That's about 2 successful PC hits or 1 strong PC striker hit per round.</p><p></p><p>All in all, if PC gives the BBEG PC powers, but stats him mostly as a NPC, this will be one memorable fight. The NPC allies give the PCs a serious edge, so PC will need to negate that with some BBEG allies.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 5752452, member: 2011"] Well, it depends on what PC means by him being statted as a lone PC. If he means that he is entirely statted as a PC, then you are correct. He really won't have enough hit points to stand up to the PCs and PC will find out why a DM never stats an NPC with the full PC rules. 3 lucky striker hits and the BBEG is down. This guy won't last 3 full rounds if the PCs focus every single one of their attacks on him and ignore his allies. If PC means that his powers and possibly his ability scores are statted as a PC, but the rest of him is statted as a 22 level elite, then that's different. A level 22 Elite typically has 400 to 500 hit points. He does 30+ points per attack, not the 40+ that a PC Fighter might do at that level (but, with multiple close burst 1 attacks). If PC stats his attacks as normal PC Fighter attacks with a cool magic weapon and feats and such, this guy will probably do more damage. The PCs that hit on a 6 at level one often do so because they have Expertise added already. Those PCs lose 10, not 9, to hit the BBEG and need a 16 to hit. Other PCs need an 18 or even a 19 to hit. PC would be crazy to write this guy up completely as a 22 level Fighter. One critical by a striker and this guy is bloodied. Action Economy will wipe this guy out in 3 rounds. As a 22 level Elite, though, this guy will probably stand up to 10 to 12 rounds or so from the PCs. But, the PCs will be throwing the kitchen sink at this guy. Sure, he'll be hitting 1 to 3 of them every round for 30 points of damage, but with 80 to 100 hit points each, heals, and resists and such, he'll probably need to wade through 600 to 700 hit points to take out the PCs in those same 10 to 12 rounds. That's 50 to 70 average assuming that the party controller doesn't turn him into a frog for a round. The BBEG needs to be attacking at least 2 PCs (and not PC allies) every round. The PCs have to be doing 400 to 500 points of damage in those 10 to 12 rounds, or 33 to 50 points per round. That's about 2 successful PC hits or 1 strong PC striker hit per round. All in all, if PC gives the BBEG PC powers, but stats him mostly as a NPC, this will be one memorable fight. The NPC allies give the PCs a serious edge, so PC will need to negate that with some BBEG allies. [/QUOTE]
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