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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 6651406" data-attributes="member: 58197">I'm with those who think your players have just decided they don't like 5E. You could address their complaints point by point; but why bother? The number of times I have seen logical debate change somebody's subjective opinion of something can be counted on no hands. And since they have already played the game a fair bit, play experience is obviously not going to change their minds either.So, you have the following options:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Run Pathfinder, which is clearly what your players want.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Hand over the DM hat to someone else who will run Pathfinder.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Find some other system that both you and your players like, and run that.</li> </ul>The first option is the easiest solution, but don't do it unless you yourself can be happy running PF. As DM, you will be putting in the lion's share of the work. You should not run anything you don't actively enjoy. I suspect that if you were basically fine with Pathfinder, you wouldn't be here asking us for help, so this one is probably out.The third option is ideal. If you can find such a system, go for it. That said, the search for the perfect system is a long, difficult, and often fruitless quest... particularly if your players take the attitude, "We know what we want, so we're not going to help you look for something you want. You have to find the perfect system all by yourself and serve it to us on a platter."If all else fails, then, take door number two. If you really don't like running Pathfinder, and your players really don't like playing 5E, and they aren't willing to help you find a system everyone likes, step aside as DM. Do it with good grace, and play Pathfinder with a smile.</blockquote>

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