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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6654106" data-attributes="member: 5834">Not even close to what a caster could do in breadth. It mirrors the genre hierarchy well in my opinion. You have listed nothing that has changed my opinion in that regard.It doesn't mirror fiction well other than the one it aspires to be, that I agree with.I disagree. Even in mythological fiction, casters can do more than martials. Circe is for example more powerful than Odysseus, Hercules, and other such characters in Greek myth other than other gods which are more caster than martial.It is a legitimate question. It answers what type of background you come from. A person that comes to the game from books will have a very different expectation than one that comes to the game from video games. The question was not directly for a single person.Flashy is easiest to create. You could other things as a caster. I did quite often. Flashy explosive spells get quite boring. D&D has supported other arcane types than hermetic artillery, though that is the probably the simplest user of magic to represent.Explain to me how these mythical figures do not exist. Most of your list is martial characters that could be quite easily emulated within D&D. Once we start incorporating such figures across fiction and mythology, we must star to answer questions such as could Beowulf defeat Gandalf or Merlin? Could Odysseus stand against Elric or The Dragon Reborn? Could Hercules kill Circe? As long as the relative power hierarchy is emulated, I'm happy. Even in mythology users of magic are the most fearsome and dangerous villains the heroes must overcome other than perhaps a monster such as a dragon.I do not understand why you think martial are not well represented. Very easy to create a martial that is extremely powerful in the context of the world be it the only man to pull a particular bow or the wielder of an extraordinary magic weapon. It doesn't mean they are as openly strong as a magic user, which is usually why they don't take them on straight up. Just like the magic user isn't stupid enough to pick up a weapon and go toe to toe with the martial. The general genre conventions are mirrored in D&D. The caster-martial disparity is part of that convention, even in mythology. The one thing the martials in mythology never like to deal with is magic because it is so powerful. They have a health respect and fear of it which drives their tactics when dealing with casters or magical creatures. This listing of powerful martials does not change their capabilities, which are often derived from magic items created by others.</blockquote>

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