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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 1646795" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>First thing to note is that you no longer can depend on finding the location of the BBEG to be the problem...which is okay, if you plan for it. They'll know where everyone whose lock of hair they possess is located, with a sorcerer, at least four times per day (probably more).</p><p> </p><p>They know <em>where</em>.</p><p> </p><p>One of the single most powerful DM tools against divinations is the Red Herring. Say, the BBEG committed a murder, but left part of a monster laying around so that it seemed the monster did it. The PC's find the monster part, but not the true clue (unless they've got astronomical Search skills). They use <em>discern location</em>, scry-teleport-intiative.</p><p> </p><p>Only they kill the wrong guy.</p><p> </p><p>So while the monsters are trying to extract their vengeance for the pointless murder of one of their own (perhaps not specifically on the PC's -- the people who hired the PC's, a group known for supporting them, simply the town or bar that they frequent, etc. are all likely targets, especially if the monsters are generally weak), the PC's must still uncover the <em>real</em> killer as he kills again.</p><p> </p><p>The key, of course, will be in the legwork...either they predict the place he's likely to strike (requiring divinations or good Int checks to detect a pattern) so they can see him in action, or they interview eyewitnesses to find the real culprit (requiring enchantments or good Cha checks to convince scared townsfolk to speak)...while at the same time fighting off minions and monsters...</p><p> </p><p>Let the spell be useful, eventually (in this case, they can still use it as it was intended, once they found out whodunnit). But make them work for it...</p><p> </p><p>The 'make them use it' suggestion is also a very good idea...make sure the spell is the only way to detect where the person goes (he looses them with illusion, and nobody else has seen him, etc).</p><p> </p><p>That's just one example; there's others. Maybe if we knew more about the specific situation we could give some specific advice?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 1646795, member: 2067"] First thing to note is that you no longer can depend on finding the location of the BBEG to be the problem...which is okay, if you plan for it. They'll know where everyone whose lock of hair they possess is located, with a sorcerer, at least four times per day (probably more). They know [i]where[/i]. One of the single most powerful DM tools against divinations is the Red Herring. Say, the BBEG committed a murder, but left part of a monster laying around so that it seemed the monster did it. The PC's find the monster part, but not the true clue (unless they've got astronomical Search skills). They use [i]discern location[/i], scry-teleport-intiative. Only they kill the wrong guy. So while the monsters are trying to extract their vengeance for the pointless murder of one of their own (perhaps not specifically on the PC's -- the people who hired the PC's, a group known for supporting them, simply the town or bar that they frequent, etc. are all likely targets, especially if the monsters are generally weak), the PC's must still uncover the [i]real[/i] killer as he kills again. The key, of course, will be in the legwork...either they predict the place he's likely to strike (requiring divinations or good Int checks to detect a pattern) so they can see him in action, or they interview eyewitnesses to find the real culprit (requiring enchantments or good Cha checks to convince scared townsfolk to speak)...while at the same time fighting off minions and monsters... Let the spell be useful, eventually (in this case, they can still use it as it was intended, once they found out whodunnit). But make them work for it... The 'make them use it' suggestion is also a very good idea...make sure the spell is the only way to detect where the person goes (he looses them with illusion, and nobody else has seen him, etc). That's just one example; there's others. Maybe if we knew more about the specific situation we could give some specific advice? [/QUOTE]
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