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<blockquote data-quote="Agamon" data-source="post: 102749" data-attributes="member: 184">Re: Well,And I'm just saying, that that's not your problem.&nbsp; If they figure out a way, kudos to them.&nbsp; If they don't, oh well.&nbsp; You should let them figure it out themselves, though.&nbsp; If you tell them how, either yourself, or through an NPC, that really cheapens the victory, and is railroading in a sense, which is, once more IMO, a bad thing.And even a whole L17 party shouldn't be able to scratch a CR 35.&nbsp; I played with a first time DM not long ago.&nbsp; I told him not to make the CRs much higher than our L7 PCs.&nbsp; He didn't really listen; out final battle, which we needed to fight as it was in self defense with little chance of escape, was against a CR 14 wizard and his charmed CR 16 lackey (plus a couple CR 7 monsters to boot!)&nbsp; Even though he ran the encounter rather poorly, we all ended up dying from a Circle of Death spell (14d4 levels killed instantly, Save DC 27 - talk about your munchy NPCs <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />).&nbsp; And that was double the CR of our level, which is what os similar to your situation...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Agamon, post: 102749, member: 184"] [b]Re: Well,[/b] And I'm just saying, that that's not your problem. If they figure out a way, kudos to them. If they don't, oh well. You should let them figure it out themselves, though. If you tell them how, either yourself, or through an NPC, that really cheapens the victory, and is railroading in a sense, which is, once more IMO, a bad thing. And even a whole L17 party shouldn't be able to scratch a CR 35. I played with a first time DM not long ago. I told him not to make the CRs much higher than our L7 PCs. He didn't really listen; out final battle, which we needed to fight as it was in self defense with little chance of escape, was against a CR 14 wizard and his charmed CR 16 lackey (plus a couple CR 7 monsters to boot!) Even though he ran the encounter rather poorly, we all ended up dying from a Circle of Death spell (14d4 levels killed instantly, Save DC 27 - talk about your munchy NPCs ;)). And that was double the CR of our level, which is what os similar to your situation... [/QUOTE]

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