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<blockquote data-quote="Esker" data-source="post: 7591035" data-attributes="member: 6966824"><p>But it's only adding something if you regularly use your bonus action for something else (presumably an off-hand attack). OP indicated an interest in rapier+booming blade, so cunning action disengage would work just fine; better actually, since it cuts off <em>all</em> opportunity attacks.</p><p></p><p>Can you make a bonus action punch? Is your fist considered a light weapon?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Low HP yes, but bladesingers have quite high AC (after their turn, at least). With bladesong and studded leather, you'll have 18 AC from the time you get the subclass, and it only goes up from there as you get ASIs. But I agree with your conclusion is true nonetheless; shield is invaluable. And sometimes you will get attacked either before you have bladesong up or when you're out of uses.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But even making CHA your third highest, you're talking +2 at the most, and you can only get that if you bump INT down (which hurts prep slots, and for a bladesinger, concentration and AC). More likely it's a +1 as in the OP array. Not a big reason to consider giving up a wizard level IMO. Plan on taking Alert at some point, and hint to your DM that you are interested in a weapon of warning.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If prioritizing weapon use to the point where you take DEX increases over INT ones it's hard for me to see going mostly wizard. More rogue levels (at least after extra attack) offer more DEX-build-compatible goodies. Not to say you shouldn't do it if that's the character you want to play, but from an optimization perspective, I think it muddies your role. Even if you focus on non-save spells like Wall of Force, you still need to be able to maintain concentration, and INT helps you more with that than DEX. Much of the design of bladesinger seems to be based on letting you use INT for things that you'd normally want DEX for (AC, and, after level 14, damage) so you can go into melee without having as much of a DEX-focus.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Esker, post: 7591035, member: 6966824"] But it's only adding something if you regularly use your bonus action for something else (presumably an off-hand attack). OP indicated an interest in rapier+booming blade, so cunning action disengage would work just fine; better actually, since it cuts off [I]all[/I] opportunity attacks. Can you make a bonus action punch? Is your fist considered a light weapon? Low HP yes, but bladesingers have quite high AC (after their turn, at least). With bladesong and studded leather, you'll have 18 AC from the time you get the subclass, and it only goes up from there as you get ASIs. But I agree with your conclusion is true nonetheless; shield is invaluable. And sometimes you will get attacked either before you have bladesong up or when you're out of uses. But even making CHA your third highest, you're talking +2 at the most, and you can only get that if you bump INT down (which hurts prep slots, and for a bladesinger, concentration and AC). More likely it's a +1 as in the OP array. Not a big reason to consider giving up a wizard level IMO. Plan on taking Alert at some point, and hint to your DM that you are interested in a weapon of warning. If prioritizing weapon use to the point where you take DEX increases over INT ones it's hard for me to see going mostly wizard. More rogue levels (at least after extra attack) offer more DEX-build-compatible goodies. Not to say you shouldn't do it if that's the character you want to play, but from an optimization perspective, I think it muddies your role. Even if you focus on non-save spells like Wall of Force, you still need to be able to maintain concentration, and INT helps you more with that than DEX. Much of the design of bladesinger seems to be based on letting you use INT for things that you'd normally want DEX for (AC, and, after level 14, damage) so you can go into melee without having as much of a DEX-focus. [/QUOTE]
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