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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Twig" data-source="post: 8133134" data-attributes="member: 31754"><p>Sure, and I'm saying that there are people that like that gamble. I'll agree that killing your team with a fireball might not be fun, but the one time our sorcerer was turned into a potted plant was hilarious. Afterwards his character claimed he had seen the error of his ways after having seen "how the potted half live" and would go out of his way to be kind to plants, particularly if they were in pots.</p><p></p><p>While I agree that the fumble tables (or crit-fail tables) are not good, that is mostly because they happen far too often and aren't that interesting. And there are ways of making effects that are interesting without being so bad or so good that they ruin the fun. The ground-zero fireball is probably too negative (at least until higher levels when it isn't an instant TPK), but they could have the wild growth difficult terrain effect everybody. That is neither a bonus or a negative by itself as it effects everyone equally, but the party could make it a bonus by being prepared for something like that to happen.</p><p></p><p>There is also all of the random stuff that doesn't effect the game directly. Like you grow a beard of feathers, or change color, or become immune to alcohol. They could even combine things like this with the useful things so maybe when the ground sprouts vines and flowers for 15' around you, you also turn green and don't need to eat for the next day if you get enough sunlight. Maybe for the bonus teleport effect you don't get to choose whether you teleport or not. You <em>have</em> to teleport at least 10' every round, even if you would rather not. Still incredibly useful, but adds a little catch that you might need to work around to make things interesting.</p><p></p><p>And epic fails really are some of the best stories. The time the party had everything go right and beat down a beholder isn't that memorable, but if the barbarian leapt off a cliff to jump on the beholder, rolled a 1 on his athletics and face-planted 20' below, that is hilarious and will be talked about for years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lord Twig, post: 8133134, member: 31754"] Sure, and I'm saying that there are people that like that gamble. I'll agree that killing your team with a fireball might not be fun, but the one time our sorcerer was turned into a potted plant was hilarious. Afterwards his character claimed he had seen the error of his ways after having seen "how the potted half live" and would go out of his way to be kind to plants, particularly if they were in pots. While I agree that the fumble tables (or crit-fail tables) are not good, that is mostly because they happen far too often and aren't that interesting. And there are ways of making effects that are interesting without being so bad or so good that they ruin the fun. The ground-zero fireball is probably too negative (at least until higher levels when it isn't an instant TPK), but they could have the wild growth difficult terrain effect everybody. That is neither a bonus or a negative by itself as it effects everyone equally, but the party could make it a bonus by being prepared for something like that to happen. There is also all of the random stuff that doesn't effect the game directly. Like you grow a beard of feathers, or change color, or become immune to alcohol. They could even combine things like this with the useful things so maybe when the ground sprouts vines and flowers for 15' around you, you also turn green and don't need to eat for the next day if you get enough sunlight. Maybe for the bonus teleport effect you don't get to choose whether you teleport or not. You [I]have[/I] to teleport at least 10' every round, even if you would rather not. Still incredibly useful, but adds a little catch that you might need to work around to make things interesting. And epic fails really are some of the best stories. The time the party had everything go right and beat down a beholder isn't that memorable, but if the barbarian leapt off a cliff to jump on the beholder, rolled a 1 on his athletics and face-planted 20' below, that is hilarious and will be talked about for years. [/QUOTE]
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