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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8138722" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>A few things wrong with this. </p><p></p><p>First, cantrips that have an attack are still "casting a spell" that's why you can't have an eldritch knight use Booming Blade on Four attacks.</p><p></p><p>Second... I likely would be highly suspect of allowing the attack from Haste to trigger two-weapon fighting. But, considering that looking over the list of what actions are allowed under your hasted action, the only two things you can do with your main action that you can't do with the Hasted action seem to be dodge and casting a spell. So in the vast majority of cases you have already made an attack with your main action, or you could do whatever you wanted to do with your main action as your haste action, so it won't matter. </p><p></p><p>And finally, this is requiring a lot of steps. First off that the Extra Attack Feature is possible to activate during Haste. Second that the ability to swap one attack for one cantrip can be done multiple times a turn, because you already swapped one attack for one cantrip, and that you can swap your only attack for a cantrip. </p><p></p><p>Even if RAW, I think that is too much to be said to be RAI.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See, you are conflating a lot of things here. </p><p></p><p>For example, if an attack as the grapple rider... it is part of that attack. That is like you trying to argue you can cast spells as part of your attack because Hunter's Mark damage is part of your attack. You are talking about using an ability that is meant for "Instead of making two attacks, make one attack and one cantrip" and letting it say "instead of making an attack, you can cast a spell when you normally cannot cast a spell" </p><p></p><p>And, Haste's interactions with other spells tells us fairly clearly the intent. </p><p></p><p>Haste does not let you make a second attack with Vampiric Touch, a melee spell attack granted to you as part of the spell. Haste does not let you move Moonbeam twice. Haste does not let you use sunbeam twice. Haste does not let you use Call Lightning twice. </p><p></p><p>Haste does let you use Shadow Blade twice. Why? Because Shadowblade creates a weapon you wield to make attacks with, it is not a spell attack.</p><p></p><p>Casting a spell is not something you can do with your hasted action. And in the case where you have a single attack, I do not believe the intent is for Bladesingers Extra Attack feature to activate.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8138722, member: 6801228"] A few things wrong with this. First, cantrips that have an attack are still "casting a spell" that's why you can't have an eldritch knight use Booming Blade on Four attacks. Second... I likely would be highly suspect of allowing the attack from Haste to trigger two-weapon fighting. But, considering that looking over the list of what actions are allowed under your hasted action, the only two things you can do with your main action that you can't do with the Hasted action seem to be dodge and casting a spell. So in the vast majority of cases you have already made an attack with your main action, or you could do whatever you wanted to do with your main action as your haste action, so it won't matter. And finally, this is requiring a lot of steps. First off that the Extra Attack Feature is possible to activate during Haste. Second that the ability to swap one attack for one cantrip can be done multiple times a turn, because you already swapped one attack for one cantrip, and that you can swap your only attack for a cantrip. Even if RAW, I think that is too much to be said to be RAI. See, you are conflating a lot of things here. For example, if an attack as the grapple rider... it is part of that attack. That is like you trying to argue you can cast spells as part of your attack because Hunter's Mark damage is part of your attack. You are talking about using an ability that is meant for "Instead of making two attacks, make one attack and one cantrip" and letting it say "instead of making an attack, you can cast a spell when you normally cannot cast a spell" And, Haste's interactions with other spells tells us fairly clearly the intent. Haste does not let you make a second attack with Vampiric Touch, a melee spell attack granted to you as part of the spell. Haste does not let you move Moonbeam twice. Haste does not let you use sunbeam twice. Haste does not let you use Call Lightning twice. Haste does let you use Shadow Blade twice. Why? Because Shadowblade creates a weapon you wield to make attacks with, it is not a spell attack. Casting a spell is not something you can do with your hasted action. And in the case where you have a single attack, I do not believe the intent is for Bladesingers Extra Attack feature to activate. [/QUOTE]
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