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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8139077" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Let me ask you a question. A Bladesinger is hit by the slow spell, meaning they can only take a single action, and only a single attack with that action. </p><p></p><p>They use Booming Blade. </p><p></p><p>Did they take the attack action or cast a spell? Can you even tell?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, but you miss that there is a fundamental difference between the Bladesingers ability and a Divine Smite. </p><p></p><p>The Bladesinger's ability is part of them making two attacks. It is literally tied into their Extra Attack Feature. Reread the feature "You can attack twice, instead of once, whenever you take the Attack action on your turn. <strong><u>Moreover,</u></strong> you can cast one of your cantrips <strong><u>in place of one of those attacks.</u></strong>"</p><p></p><p>It is clearly and explicitly meant to be part of using your extra attack to make two attacks, then replacing one of those two attacks with a cantrip. </p><p></p><p>Divine Smite is different. It states "when you hit a creature with a melee weapon attack, " </p><p></p><p>Did you hit them with an attack? Yes? You can do this. Did you hit them with a second attack? Doesn't matter, because the number of attacks doesn't matter. If you broke all reason in the game and made 500 attacks, you could divine smite for as many as you had spell slots for. Because the Divine Smite ability only cares about hitting with a melee weapon attack. </p><p></p><p>Do you have Holy Weapon up? You get to add that to any attack you make with the weapon. Is the weapon a flametongue? You get to add those dice to any attack you make with that weapon. </p><p></p><p></p><p>But, again, the Bladesinger's ability is that when they take the Extra Attack action, and they make two attacks, they can turn one of those attacks into a cantrip. It doesn't say "Whenever you make a melee weapon attack, you can cast a cantrip instead of making the melee weapon attack." It says when you would use Extra Attack, you can turn one of those two attacks into a cantrip. </p><p></p><p>By your reading a Dual-Wielding Blade Singer could cast Booming Blade as a bonus action, by replacing the dual-wielding attack with a cantrip. And that is not the intent of the ability, or what it says you can do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8139077, member: 6801228"] Let me ask you a question. A Bladesinger is hit by the slow spell, meaning they can only take a single action, and only a single attack with that action. They use Booming Blade. Did they take the attack action or cast a spell? Can you even tell? Okay, but you miss that there is a fundamental difference between the Bladesingers ability and a Divine Smite. The Bladesinger's ability is part of them making two attacks. It is literally tied into their Extra Attack Feature. Reread the feature "You can attack twice, instead of once, whenever you take the Attack action on your turn. [B][U]Moreover,[/U][/B] you can cast one of your cantrips [B][U]in place of one of those attacks.[/U][/B]" It is clearly and explicitly meant to be part of using your extra attack to make two attacks, then replacing one of those two attacks with a cantrip. Divine Smite is different. It states "when you hit a creature with a melee weapon attack, " Did you hit them with an attack? Yes? You can do this. Did you hit them with a second attack? Doesn't matter, because the number of attacks doesn't matter. If you broke all reason in the game and made 500 attacks, you could divine smite for as many as you had spell slots for. Because the Divine Smite ability only cares about hitting with a melee weapon attack. Do you have Holy Weapon up? You get to add that to any attack you make with the weapon. Is the weapon a flametongue? You get to add those dice to any attack you make with that weapon. But, again, the Bladesinger's ability is that when they take the Extra Attack action, and they make two attacks, they can turn one of those attacks into a cantrip. It doesn't say "Whenever you make a melee weapon attack, you can cast a cantrip instead of making the melee weapon attack." It says when you would use Extra Attack, you can turn one of those two attacks into a cantrip. By your reading a Dual-Wielding Blade Singer could cast Booming Blade as a bonus action, by replacing the dual-wielding attack with a cantrip. And that is not the intent of the ability, or what it says you can do. [/QUOTE]
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