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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8069266" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I could see that, but they are supposed to be more like the Rogue anyways.No.I showed this repeatedly in the last thread. Unless you are talking past level 10, or you are including a -5/+10 feat like GWM then the monk's at-will, no ki damage is comparable to a greatsword wielding fighter, and only a little bit behind that of a PAM Fighter (I think monk was 24.5 and PAM Fighter was 26.5) I don't know why people have this perception that monk damage is bad at low levels unless they spend Ki. It is just not true unless you are investing a lot into your damage on the other side.I will agree, every monk except the Kensei needs to spend Ki to have the same defense as the Sword and Board fighter, but you might only be 1 AC behind the Greatsword fighter in plate mail until level 8 (if you focus on Dex) and are equivalent from then on out. But, if by level 8, I have the same AC and damage output as Generic Fighter in Platemail weilding a Greatsword, with zero Ki spent, then I don't understand how my defense and damage &quot;lags behind&quot; what the fighter can do at-will and effortlessly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8069266, member: 6801228"] I could see that, but they are supposed to be more like the Rogue anyways. No. I showed this repeatedly in the last thread. Unless you are talking past level 10, or you are including a -5/+10 feat like GWM then the monk's at-will, no ki damage is comparable to a greatsword wielding fighter, and only a little bit behind that of a PAM Fighter (I think monk was 24.5 and PAM Fighter was 26.5) I don't know why people have this perception that monk damage is bad at low levels unless they spend Ki. It is just not true unless you are investing a lot into your damage on the other side. I will agree, every monk except the Kensei needs to spend Ki to have the same defense as the Sword and Board fighter, but you might only be 1 AC behind the Greatsword fighter in plate mail until level 8 (if you focus on Dex) and are equivalent from then on out. But, if by level 8, I have the same AC and damage output as Generic Fighter in Platemail weilding a Greatsword, with zero Ki spent, then I don't understand how my defense and damage "lags behind" what the fighter can do at-will and effortlessly. [/QUOTE]

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