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Message: <blockquote data-quote="serrin" data-source="post: 5410691" data-attributes="member: 6666946">At first, i was opposed to degrading the alignments in 4e.  My opinion was that they were dumbing down the game to interest new players. (I still think there is much truth to that)However, after some thought and play time I notice a few things from both sides of the table.My DM perspective.I have a group of friends that I DM for and we get together only a few times a year.  We've been playing for years, starting with 2nd edition and 3e.  No plans to move to 4e with that group.  Due to the infrequency of play, everytime we get together, someone spends time throughout the game doing this.  "Hmmm, my player is NG.. should i do this? can I do this?  What will happen if I do this?" etc, even though i've never been very strict on Alignment outside of Paladins (more on that later.)It gets over roleplayed and drags down game speed.Now I'm also DM'ing 4e for some new players (not familiar with any older editions of the game).  the more I DM this group, the more i realize that the alignments are somewhat a waste of time beyond just a general attitude.  Also there isn't any good way to enforce 'out of character' alignment shifts in my opinion, without dealing with arguments and other issues that aren't worth time at the game table.From a DM perspective.  I think its not such a bad thing afterall.Player Perspective:Not even sure it bothers me, I play my characters the same way really, so other than the initial  "WTF" I can't say it's an issue.My Exception..The Paladin.  Seriously, this is a character that begs to be played a certain way.  You wouldn't choose it otherwise.  I liked the fact that if you wanted to get the benefits a paladin bestowed (post 4E) you had to put up with the restrictions.  It's part of the fun too.   I still maintain that paladins should be lawful good, or at least lawful evil, if you so choose to be a dark knight, dark paladin.Can you believe i signed up just to post to this thread <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />Cheers.</blockquote>

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