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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 4078256" data-attributes="member: 957">I also agree with the OP.I see some really great ideas in there.  I see some things I will certainly steal for my own game.But I see lots of other things that just confirm the things I have become aware of over the past few months.  It looks a lot closer to what I would consider a pure minis battle game or a board game than a roleplaying game.  Sure, you can roleplay on top of this game, but that was true of DDM 2 years ago.  I look at the characters and the texture is greatly lacking.  And yeah, I understand that they are 1st level, and I'll cut some slack on that account.  But they look a lot alike to me.  Everything is just +x attack for y damage and maybe a move effect.  All the texture of one thing being different than another is gone.  They've been bragging about the unified mechanic for a while now.  And I'll admit, they did that big time.  And I miss the differences already. And I haven't even played the game yet.  Everything works exactly the same and I got bored just reading it.And the monster is the same.  Again, some slack for first level, but it is just a one dimensional battle pawn.  And I'll readily admit that 9 out of 10 kobolds in my 3X game are bags of HP with a spear.  But not only is there that 10th time, but the kobolds are always there in a way that represents a lot more.  Have they built a better minis battle game?  Is 4E combat more fast and furious than 3x?  It may be so.  And yeah, I just might find it really fun to kick back and slay some nameless beasts with this system.  I probably would in the same way I enjoy Descent and Tannhauser now.  I like roleplaying games AND other games.  And if I stop trying to judge it as a roleplaying game I think I can give 4E high marks.  But I'm still not seeing anything that provides a fraction of what I want in terms of grit and substance for a get into the character's head roleplaying game.</blockquote>

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