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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ferratus" data-source="post: 4078458" data-attributes="member: 55966">Well, I'd be happy to hear what that is.  If you handle everything by ability checks for example, it amounts to much the same game mechanic.   I just know I don't want to blow ranks in knowledge (nobility) or Craft (brewing) or Profession (sailor) if I never get a chance to use it.   Giving away free skill points (as background points or something) didn't quite solve the problem because it was still scattershot whether you would get to use your skills or not.   I'd rather have a little extra spice and do some neat things as opportunities present themselves.   For example, if I'm playing Age of Worms and I'm trying to socialize in the High Society of Prince Zeech's court, then why not let everyone have a go and trying to be good at it?   It would certainly be nice as a change of pace.   I'm sure a player who is determined to be an obnoxious, drunken, frothing barbarian with no social graces will just not bother to roll, or take a -15 circumstance bonus.  That's actually a good simulation of life actually.  People could behave better if they put the effort into it, but just don't bother to. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Well, outside of combat Achilles and Odysseus are rather similar, but I get your point.  I think that people will be defined by what they do well, rather than what they do half decently.   When you had a bard in the party, nobody cared that the paladin had Diplomacy too.  I think that will likely be the case with overlapping skills in 4e.   Odysseus trained in Diplomacy.   Achilles can do a little diplomacy (such as the scene with Priam) but usually he is just a pushy loudmouth, so he has more scenes like the ones where he berates Agamemmnon and stomps off sulking.</blockquote>

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