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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arlough" data-source="post: 5905879" data-attributes="member: 79335">I am just using 4e as an example, because that is what I am playing now, and therefore I don't have to go digging for my old books.Here is the Two Weapon Fighter (Ranger) that I was talking about. Or at least one possibility for it.[sblock]====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======Asteron, level 1Minotaur, RangerBuild: Two-Blade RangerFighting Style: Two-Blade Fighting StyleRanger: Running AttackBackground: Athlete (+2 to Athletics)FINAL ABILITY SCORESStr 18, Con 11, Dex 16, Int 10, Wis 15, Cha 8.STARTING ABILITY SCORESStr 16, Con 11, Dex 16, Int 10, Wis 13, Cha 8.AC: 16 Fort: 15 Reflex: 14 Will: 12HP: 28 Surges: 7 Surge Value: 7TRAINED SKILLSDungeoneering +7, Perception +9, Stealth +7, Athletics +10, Heal +7UNTRAINED SKILLSAcrobatics +2, Arcana, Bluff -1, Diplomacy -1, Endurance -1, History, Insight +2, Intimidate -1, Nature +4, Religion, Streetwise -1, Thievery +2FEATSLevel 1: Lethal HunterPOWERSRanger at-will 1: Twin StrikeRanger at-will 1: Throw and StabRanger encounter 1: Fox's CunningRanger daily 1: Skirmishing StanceITEMSHide Armor, Adventurer's Kit, Distance Javelin +1 (2)====== Copy to Clipboard and Press the Import Button on the Summary Tab ======[/sblock]And you will find there is nothing nature-y about it.The point I was trying to make, though, is that to me, the class name doesn't define my character.  A good example of that is I had a Bard long before one was released for 4th, because I just made a warlord and played him as a bard.  In game, he would reference himself as a bard, and he even had a musical instrument, high Int, and light armor.But, to many people, they would tell me that my Bard wasn't a bard.  There was no bard and so I:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">should stop cheating</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">was not playing it right</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">needed to use the warlord picture</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">would obviously not be able to contribute</li> </ul>Take your pick.It had nothing to do with mechanics, it was all about nomenclature.So if, instead of being called a Warlord, the class was called Martial <s>Leader</s> Enhancer then I could have put him in light armor and given him skills based on social crap and he would become a Bard without anyone complaining.</blockquote>

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