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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sylrae" data-source="post: 4951178" data-attributes="member: 48520">The concept of a base race is that you're MAKING a 0HD, 0 LA Race. And then all of the other racial abilities are gained over the racial levels.The Idea is you put as many of the most important traits to make it as what it is as possible in the Base race, and drop the rest into the levels. Hmm. That is a pretty logical way of looking at it. and that makes a great deal of sense if youre assuming that you started out as a fairly average minotaur. The Idea of breaking it down into levels and a base class, allow you to make minotaurs who are not average. They could be the same CR as a regular minotaur, but have developed some different skills. Maybe instead of 6 levels of minotaur, they are CR 8, and have 4 levels of barbarian. Such a creature would still make a pretty good minotaur, and they would make a good leader Minotaur Boss or NPC that players could have to face. It also allows for a player to make a minotaur who is not ever average. But on the other hand, they could still make said average minotaur. AND! If a DM doesn't want to allow the non-typical option (like you wouldn't), you can easily say "Players have to take all monster levels first", "Players have to take all the monster levels before reaching 1.5x the total of the monster levels" or "Players have to take x(or x%) of the monster levels first", or some other variant thereof. In fact, in a package of monsters like this (like a miniature monster manual or something), I'd say it should include all of these as alternate ways to run allowing monster PCs.Also, it should be noted, that since all of the monster levels I came up with should be statted to about the same CR as eachother (I'm going to recalculate it after I calculate the CR of Pathfinder Base Classes), the levels shouldn't have to be taken in any particular order in terms of abilities.</blockquote>

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