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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7121370" data-attributes="member: 6795602">[MENTION=6864983]Immoralkickass[/MENTION]You said, "You really didn't put much thought into this"----------------------------------------------------------------Maybe I explained and no one bothered to read?1.  I explained the purpose of the full rest and why it was changed.  It was changed explicitly so that a DM could have more narrative freedom in creating setbacks for pulling out and trying to full rest before going any further.2.  Yep, you really didn't bother to read.  The point about short rest characters getting nothing out of a long rest was from a comparative perspective.  For a short rest character, the option of a long rest doesn't do hardly anything that a short rest doesn't.3.  Again I never said they didn't like them.  Maybe you should brush up on your reading.  It's comparative.  Long rest characters find very little value in a short rests compared to a long rest.  That a short rest may allow them to recover some hit dice hp on a short rest doesn't change that statement, its just one example of where limited value can be found in short rests for long rest characters.4.  Or maybe you read and just didn't comprehend?(FYI:  I'm a firm believer in responding in like manner).  You want a discussion then I'll discuss.  You want to respond with silly personal attacks then I will do the same.  You want to give half reasoned responses that attack some strawman you've invented, I'm not above doing that back to you either.So do you want to acknowledge the basic points so we can have a discussion or do you want to continue down this unproductive and personal path?The basic points I'm waiting on you to acknowledge are that short rest characters find little value in doing a long rest over a short rest and long rest characters find little value in doing a short rest.  These aren't outlandish statements.  They are trivial statements we shouldn't even have to spend time on.</blockquote>

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