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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 8579771" data-attributes="member: 6877472">I don't know, I played a Ranger in 4e.&nbsp; I could strike and control from range if need be, and I was basically the team all-star in a lot of fights.&nbsp; The problem with Strikers was that most DM's I played with didn't understand the role.&nbsp; I heard complaints all the time that Strikers did &quot;too much damage&quot;.&nbsp; &quot;Uh, yeah, that's kind of the point, but also, most of the Strikers you see in play aren't that good!&quot;This went on for awhile until we got to the Next Playtest, and I helped another player put together the UBER RANGER, completely maximized for damage.&nbsp; Our first big fight, the Ranger won initiative, and the monster was dead before he was even finished with his turn!&nbsp; But many Strikers were kind of bad at their jobs, I'll grant.&nbsp; The Rogue was ok, but you needed Combat Advantage, and with no &quot;always available&quot; way to get it (outside of flanking, which required the other players to remember you were a Rogue), many players overloaded on Utility Powers that granted it.&nbsp; The Sorcerer was a mess.&nbsp; The Assassin was a mess.&nbsp; The Monk was a mess (though fun to play, if you understood it's mechanics).&nbsp; But Barbarians and Rangers were always top shelf in my experience.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 8579771, member: 6877472"] I don't know, I played a Ranger in 4e. I could strike and control from range if need be, and I was basically the team all-star in a lot of fights. The problem with Strikers was that most DM's I played with didn't understand the role. I heard complaints all the time that Strikers did "too much damage". "Uh, yeah, that's kind of the point, but also, most of the Strikers you see in play aren't that good!" This went on for awhile until we got to the Next Playtest, and I helped another player put together the UBER RANGER, completely maximized for damage. Our first big fight, the Ranger won initiative, and the monster was dead before he was even finished with his turn! But many Strikers were kind of bad at their jobs, I'll grant. The Rogue was ok, but you needed Combat Advantage, and with no "always available" way to get it (outside of flanking, which required the other players to remember you were a Rogue), many players overloaded on Utility Powers that granted it. The Sorcerer was a mess. The Assassin was a mess. The Monk was a mess (though fun to play, if you understood it's mechanics). But Barbarians and Rangers were always top shelf in my experience. [/QUOTE]

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