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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8580165" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Frankly, I consider this completely irrelevant to what I said.It doesn't matter if you ARE playing by the rules or not, if the players are so clearly demonstrating that they don't like what you're giving them in the game--whether you consider that dislike appropriate or inappropriate is honestly not all that impactful on how the situation should be resolved. Now, obviously, they must like all the other stuff enough to stick with it, or you wouldn't have a stable enough gaming group to have the complaint in the first place. From there, if you feel you're being "set up as the villain" (unless that's hyperbole, which you don't seem to intend it as), then you want something from the game that your players don't, and vice versa.I'm not sure whether you are referring to me or them when you mention a "use your words tal[k] it out backhand," but if that's how you feel about your players then there may be even worse problems than I'd previously assumed. You sound like you resent your players. Which, if true, you may want to consider whether you should keep running games for that group. Resentment is very difficult to ameliorate once it takes root.If you don't actually resent your players and you're just frustrated with the situation, again, I really think that you need to have a long out-of-game conversation with them. There's clearly a gap between you and them, which you seem to be filling with some rather uncharitable descriptions of their thoughts and feelings on the matter (characterizing them as petulant children). It's very likely there's more to it, and given you have the reins of power here, it kinda is your responsibility to find out what they want and why they (from your perspective) are making such perfectionistic demands, that (objectively) extend outside the actual remit of the rules for darkvision. To find out why they (presumably, but I don't think this is a stretch) feel "cheated" when their darkvision is not the cure-all for lighting-based difficulties.</blockquote>

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