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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4784587" data-attributes="member: 2011">This is a very liberal reading of RAW.A &quot;Staff Implement&quot; can be used as a quarterstaff and its bonuses can be used for implement powers or melee attacks.is not the same asA &quot;Quarterstaff Melee Weapon&quot; is in the Staff weapon group and hence its bonuses can be used for implement powers or melee attacks.In fact, you would be hard pressed to find a rule that says that a magical quarterstaff (e.g. a weapon like a +4 Cunning Staff) can be used for Wizard Implement powers. This is not true for such things as a longsword for a Wizard of the Spiral Tower where that ability is explicitly given.I think Wizards have enough options without allowing them to use Cunning Weapons on their powers.The text is not the same.This indicates that the melee weapon can be used as an implement (although it does not give all of the properties of the weapon when used as an implement, only extra damage properties).The quarterstaff text and the staff implement text do not indicate that a quarterstaff can be used as an implement. Otherwise, the discussion would be moot. Your interpretation is derived from a bunch of rules because the text is insufficient.Although WotC appears to be setting direction for this, I do not think that deriving rule x from 4 rules y should be the way to go.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 4784587, member: 2011"] This is a very liberal reading of RAW. A "Staff Implement" can be used as a quarterstaff and its bonuses can be used for implement powers or melee attacks. is not the same as A "Quarterstaff Melee Weapon" is in the Staff weapon group and hence its bonuses can be used for implement powers or melee attacks. In fact, you would be hard pressed to find a rule that says that a magical quarterstaff (e.g. a weapon like a +4 Cunning Staff) can be used for Wizard Implement powers. This is not true for such things as a longsword for a Wizard of the Spiral Tower where that ability is explicitly given. I think Wizards have enough options without allowing them to use Cunning Weapons on their powers. The text is not the same. This indicates that the melee weapon can be used as an implement (although it does not give all of the properties of the weapon when used as an implement, only extra damage properties). The quarterstaff text and the staff implement text do not indicate that a quarterstaff can be used as an implement. Otherwise, the discussion would be moot. Your interpretation is derived from a bunch of rules because the text is insufficient. Although WotC appears to be setting direction for this, I do not think that deriving rule x from 4 rules y should be the way to go. [/QUOTE]

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