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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BobTheNob" data-source="post: 4806075" data-attributes="member: 82425">And herein lies the truth that all players need to learn. When you find something that breaks the game by making a character too powerful through certain combinations (/abuses), instead of saying "Sick, I can make a character that will screw up the game for everyone!", try bringing it up and work with the GM to find a way that the abuse can be prevented at the same time as the intetention(/application) of the feats/powers/whatever is maintained. Orbizards and all save stacking builds needed gimping, so our group implemented that on a save, regardless of all other modifiers, a 15+ is an automatic save and a 5- is an automatic fail. If you have stacked numbers so that rule is gimping you (i.e. enemy save require > 15), well, shame on you for trying to spoil the game experience for everyone.</blockquote>