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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6639013" data-attributes="member: 6787650">Yeah, this. I get the feeling that DPR obsession is mostly a thing for Internet posters. At the table, it can be fun to be the guy who obtains vital information through spying, or who persuades a key NPC to become an ally, but none of those things can be talked about on the Internet easily because they're all context-dependent. If you talk about how you can get a Lore Bard with +16 to Charisma (Persuasion) and advantage on Charisma checks, you'll just get a big shrug because there is no generally-recognized framework for what +16 to Persuasion can accomplish, and unfortunately nobody wants to hear anecdotes about what your DM let you accomplish with Persuasion. But if you talk about how your assassin/paladin can smite Tiamat for 350 points of damage in the surprise round, it's superficially easy for them to translate that knowledge into their own context and be impressed by and/or want to adopt your tactics. (In reality such builds still have a lot of context to them, about how proactive Tiamat is about patrolling her lair/seeking out threats, whether the DM believes in &quot;balanced encounters&quot;, and how the DM runs stealth and surprise; DPR-oriented posters generally ignore such context until someone points it out and it turns into a stupid Internet argument. But the context was there all along.)In other words, DPR obsession is a hyperspecialization which is well-adapted for Internet communication and thrives there even moreso than at the table. That's how it looks to me anyway.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6639013, member: 6787650"] Yeah, this. I get the feeling that DPR obsession is mostly a thing for Internet posters. At the table, it can be fun to be the guy who obtains vital information through spying, or who persuades a key NPC to become an ally, but none of those things can be talked about on the Internet easily because they're all context-dependent. If you talk about how you can get a Lore Bard with +16 to Charisma (Persuasion) and advantage on Charisma checks, you'll just get a big shrug because there is no generally-recognized framework for what +16 to Persuasion can accomplish, and unfortunately nobody wants to hear anecdotes about what your DM let you accomplish with Persuasion. But if you talk about how your assassin/paladin can smite Tiamat for 350 points of damage in the surprise round, it's superficially easy for them to translate that knowledge into their own context and be impressed by and/or want to adopt your tactics. (In reality such builds still have a lot of context to them, about how proactive Tiamat is about patrolling her lair/seeking out threats, whether the DM believes in "balanced encounters", and how the DM runs stealth and surprise; DPR-oriented posters generally ignore such context until someone points it out and it turns into a stupid Internet argument. But the context was there all along.) In other words, DPR obsession is a hyperspecialization which is well-adapted for Internet communication and thrives there even moreso than at the table. That's how it looks to me anyway. [/QUOTE]

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