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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 8007606" data-attributes="member: 20323">I completely understand you. I know this topic has been raised before, and I recall reading one of your past posts on it, which was very well articulated.Maybe this is semantics, but I certainly don't think of it as trying to work against my players. Instead, I'm looking for solutions that have worked in your games which say "yes, and" or "yes, but" to the zone of truth spell while still allowing the (highly experienced) players to enjoy the investigation process. I think of it more like playing up to their level. For comparison, consider: A player picks the ranger class because they want the thrill of exploration. However, the Natural Explorer feature can actually detract from exploration by trivializing it – or rather, requires some clever thought, adaptation, and work-arounds to make it support an exploration heavy game or session. In other words, Natural Explorer works but it's doesn't "feel" right because it avoids the challenge, rather than engaging with it. I believe this view is reflected in feedback WotC has received and discussion <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_pFVwBwgSA" target="_blank">from one of the designers</a> (Jeremy Crawford).Similarly: A player who picks the Observant feat and the zone of truth spell is signaling they want the thrill of investigation, the triumph of solving a mystery through the powers of their deductive reasoning. They don't want an easy victory that's over in 10 minutes without any actual investigation beyond casting a spell, right? At least, that's the case with my group. In the same way that I found creative ways to accommodate the players' desires with Natural Explorer, I'm looking for creative solutions with zone of truth.Not that we need to agree, but in case my post was unclear, that's the sort of feedback / play reports I'm hoping to get from you wise sages of ENWorld. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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