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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 2501602" data-attributes="member: 141">As griff_goodbeard says, the feat wasn't intended to synergize with Mystic Theurge, but apparently the designers never thought about that until afterwards they.  I guess they were unfamiliar with the DMG, or something.  Be that as it may, I find the reasons griff_goodbeard cites to be ad hoc and tendentious.  They strain the meaning of the words to fit a preconceived agenda.There are various problems that would arise if you read prerequisites in the way that griff_goodbeard cites.  For instance, suppose you are a 3rd level generalist wizard with a 13 intelligence.  Can you cast 2nd level spells?  Your only get 1/day, after all.  Suppose you are a 4th level sorcerer.  You only know 1 second level spell, but you can cast it multiple times.  Does that count as casting 2nd level spell<s>?  I would say "yes" to both.</s><s></s><s>I also don't buy the idea that Mystic Theurge becomes horribly broken if you can get into it at 5th level instead of at 6th.  Maybe I'm mistaken.</s><s></s><s>Now IIRC it has been ruled that being able to cast specific 2nd level spells does not meet the requirements; if you can cast daylight once per day, that doesn't count.  If one further specified that the spellcasting had to be from class levels, not feats or racial abilities, that would close the precocious apprentice loophole.</s><s></s><s>So.  If you allowed it, I don't think it would be a problem.  If you think it could be a problem, you could disallow precocious apprentice, which is in an optional part of an optional book and is definitely up to DM's discretion.  If you allow it, you could slightly change the prerequisites of mystic theurge and say the spellcasting requirement must be met by regular class levels, not by feats or racial abilities.  You could even generalize that to spellcasting requirements for all classes.</s><s></s><s>But don't use a picayune reading of precocious apprentice to outlaw this exploit.</s><s></s><s>[edit] I mean *after* 5 levels.  So the character's 6th character level would be their first MT level.  Without PA they would need 6 levels, so their 7th character level would be their first MT level.  [/edit]</s></blockquote>

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