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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tzarevitch" data-source="post: 822848" data-attributes="member: 1792">Part of my objection to the class is that I don't see this "problem" that some are alleging exists. I read Andy Collins' statements on this and personally I think his argument is poor. If multiclassing causes a character to get "kicked in the groin" then don't do it. I fail to see why multiclassers should have their cake and eat it too, and I say this as someone who multiclasses frequently. Multiclassing generates jack-of-all-trades characters but as compensation for this versatility you loose the benefits of concentration. The mystic theurge class allows you to be a jack-of-all-trades AND master of all of them. How is that fair to the person who shows dedication with a single-class character that the multiclassed character gets ALL of his abilities AND an additional set as well at nearly full capability. I disagree that loss of ability to Turn Undead and loss of familiar progression and bonus metamagic feats are worth consideration. Both are ancillary abilities to their respective classes. The primary ability is spellcasting and spellcasting is a very powerful ability, especially now that you effectively get it TWICE.I also disagree that 3 levels less of spellcasting is suitable balance. A three-level difference is TRIVIAL at higher levels and the mystic theurge can still get 9th level spells in BOTH classes before hitting epic spells. I might have less dislike for this class if only it weren't so easy to get in and so much better than almost all other continuing spellcasting classes. Once I allowed a psion/wizard and psion/cleric  prestige class for my Dark Sun campaign that would advance both classes. The prerequisites came out to 3rd lvl arcane/divine spells and 3rd lvl psionic powers (meaning that the earliest you could enter the class was 11th lvl). That class had the wizard BAB table and NO good saves nor did it advance anything else but spellcasting.What next,  someone complains how his monk5/wizard5 is shafted by multiclassing so WoTC releases a class that lets you advance ALL of the monk abilities except monk bonuses to AC and ALL wizard abilities except for familiar advancement and bonus feats?Personally, as far as my campaign goes I will treat the Mystic Theurge as a belated April Fools joke. As far as I am concerned, if anyone wants to be an arcane caster with divine spells, take enough levels in the Eldrich Master prestige class from Dragon Magazine (don't know the issue # off hand) that you can cast divine spells with your arcane spell slots. You absolutely will not get 2x the spell slots AND be able to cast them at nearly full level simply by taking one prestige class.Tzarevitch</blockquote>

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