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Message: <blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 1045794" data-attributes="member: 1194">What are you guys talking about, "all the classes are balanced in 3E?"I know for a fact that many people haven't bought that bill of goods...There are so many public examples of classes and class levels NOT being equal, that it's really quite quaint to hear multiple people bringing it up as the only justification for the Mystic Cheese (oh, other than 'why shouldn't it work that way' <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> ).drn said :That's truly laughable, you realize, don't you?No offense, seriously, but - that quote reveals either a collosal ignorance of what the last 3 years have shown, or else a extravagant handwave at the discussion, bringing in inaccurate ephemeral game theory to 'bolster' an argument.Everyone on the planet knows a 20th level fighter doesn't come close to a 20th level wizard in power. I'll stop discussing that right there, because if you don't immediately say "yeah, you're right", than there's no point in talking, cause we're on different planets.So with that settled, it blows away your statement that "3E was intended to have all classes as equal".Ya, it may have been designed that way, but just like all editions of D&D, it's hopelessly failed to reign in high-level mage dominance.I've had quite the few discussions about high-level D&D and the over-valuation of spells and magic items, and it is not very discussable: it boils down to a) either you like high level magic orb) you don't.It's really that simple.Personally, I think it's a huge flaw in the system, that the higher levels (beyond 10th or so) become such a mage duel (cleric and wizard) in essence, that all the other classes are relegated to sidekicks.I feel that the best way to solve it is to eunuch high level magery, removing spells above 6th, and spreading those spells out much wider.OR just disallow taking primary spellcasting classes back-to-back, as suggested by an ENWorlder (Mark, was it?), thereby maxing them at 10 spellcasting levels.And that's just one spellcaster class - you can imagine how bad the MT looks to me, granting high-level spells in 2 spellcasting classes, simply because someone thought it would be 'neat' or 'fun'?I think it's the worst idea in the long history of Bad Ideas, and I hope I'm there when they realize it.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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