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<blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 874563" data-attributes="member: 6239">First off, I would like to say forcecage is cheese and should not be allowed.&nbsp; No save, no SR, the only way out is dim door, teleport, or disintegrate.&nbsp; So that means it defeats most things in the game.&nbsp; Great job.Wizards and Clerics ARE more powerful than they should be, at least commared to fighter types.The reason they couldn't beat him down is because he was invisible, flying, and displaced.&nbsp; Also, see my earlier note about the details of the fight.&nbsp; If they could all see him and all get to him, and had not been scattered by the running around and fear effects, they could have beaten on him.&nbsp; His AC was arround 48.&nbsp; He was stoneskinned.&nbsp; Good luck beating him down.As for dispelling, they tried that.&nbsp; Being an APL 13, no one had taken greater dispelling yet.&nbsp; The sorcereres tried dispelling him over and over and over, but he had a lot of levels on her and she couldn't see him for the first half of the combat.&nbsp; AMF was out of the question as well.Any other ideas beside Forecage cheese and AMF that they could have done?&nbsp; They began to hurt him after they dispelled his shield and fly, the pelted him with magic missles while flying.&nbsp; Then he took out a bow and they ran.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LokiDR, post: 874563, member: 6239"] First off, I would like to say forcecage is cheese and should not be allowed. No save, no SR, the only way out is dim door, teleport, or disintegrate. So that means it defeats most things in the game. Great job. Wizards and Clerics ARE more powerful than they should be, at least commared to fighter types. The reason they couldn't beat him down is because he was invisible, flying, and displaced. Also, see my earlier note about the details of the fight. If they could all see him and all get to him, and had not been scattered by the running around and fear effects, they could have beaten on him. His AC was arround 48. He was stoneskinned. Good luck beating him down. As for dispelling, they tried that. Being an APL 13, no one had taken greater dispelling yet. The sorcereres tried dispelling him over and over and over, but he had a lot of levels on her and she couldn't see him for the first half of the combat. AMF was out of the question as well. Any other ideas beside Forecage cheese and AMF that they could have done? They began to hurt him after they dispelled his shield and fly, the pelted him with magic missles while flying. Then he took out a bow and they ran. [/QUOTE]

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