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<blockquote data-quote="Methos" data-source="post: 1080707" data-attributes="member: 5734">Yeah, I've looked at saves for some of the high level bad boys, such as dragons, pit fiends, etc.&nbsp; Not good.&nbsp; Having said that even a maxed out 20th level wizard (assuming a starting INT of 18, and going to 23 plus SF, and GSF, and buffing items) will still only have a DC of I think 30?&nbsp; I could be wrong since I'm not a high level expert.&nbsp; Still not great odds of getting past the saves of these critters.......This was one of my beefs awhile back when I started the thread about the reduced effects of the feats Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus.As far as Archmage, I'm not really sure why it isn't allowed?&nbsp; I've looked at the list he gave us a while back of allowed PrC, and the Archmage wasn't on it.&nbsp; I really didn't ask.&nbsp; Mind you, that was based on 3.0; I haven't asked him about 3.5.&nbsp; I assume that he just thinks some of the abilities might put a character over the top!!&nbsp; Big cautionary note here, since I haven't asked him....., so it could be that he doesn't allow it based on the flavor of his campaign......Let's just put it this way, he tends to be very conservative about going past the &quot;core rules&quot; even to the extent of allowing &quot;core&quot; prestige classes in the DMG.&nbsp; Rightly or wrongly, that is the style of the campaign.&nbsp; Actually, there is no right or wrong......it's just the campaign style.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Methos, post: 1080707, member: 5734"] Yeah, I've looked at saves for some of the high level bad boys, such as dragons, pit fiends, etc. Not good. Having said that even a maxed out 20th level wizard (assuming a starting INT of 18, and going to 23 plus SF, and GSF, and buffing items) will still only have a DC of I think 30? I could be wrong since I'm not a high level expert. Still not great odds of getting past the saves of these critters.......This was one of my beefs awhile back when I started the thread about the reduced effects of the feats Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus. As far as Archmage, I'm not really sure why it isn't allowed? I've looked at the list he gave us a while back of allowed PrC, and the Archmage wasn't on it. I really didn't ask. Mind you, that was based on 3.0; I haven't asked him about 3.5. I assume that he just thinks some of the abilities might put a character over the top!! Big cautionary note here, since I haven't asked him....., so it could be that he doesn't allow it based on the flavor of his campaign...... Let's just put it this way, he tends to be very conservative about going past the "core rules" even to the extent of allowing "core" prestige classes in the DMG. Rightly or wrongly, that is the style of the campaign. Actually, there is no right or wrong......it's just the campaign style. [/QUOTE]

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